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Old 09-13-2013, 09:59 PM   #1
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CWA SB 374 Email

Just got this email from the California Waterfowl Association in regards to SB 374:

"SB 374 would classify all semiautomatic centerfire rifles with detachable magazines as "assault weapons." People who own these rifles as of January 1, 2014, would be required to register their rifles with the state Department of Justice by January 1, 2015, and pay a fee.

Existing law defines "assault weapons" as semiautomatic rifles that have certain characteristics, such as pistol grips and military-type stocks. This bill would sweep in ALL semiautomatic centerfire rifles, including a number of legitimate sporting rifles."

My response on their FB page"

"Just got the email regarding SB 374. It's obvious from the language used that CWA doesn't consider AR platform rifles "Legitimate sporting rifles." Attitudes such as this is one of the reasons that SB 374 passed in the first place. Thank you for contributing to the demise of the 2nd Amendment in California."
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Old 09-14-2013, 11:51 AM   #2
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It sure appears that the Buckley Rule (named after William F Buckley) applies: every organization that is not specifically right wing will eventually become left wing.

Very sad. I hope that I am mistaken.
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Old 09-14-2013, 11:56 AM   #3
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What's obvious about it?
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Old 09-14-2013, 12:00 PM   #4
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who gets to conjure what is legitimate?

thanks for pointing that out. I recall reading that line and now realize the potential to be desensitized to this type of apologetic language.
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Old 09-14-2013, 12:23 PM   #5
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I'm confused?

CWA is asking for a VETO and urged us to make contacts and provided a quick way to send a message direct to the Governor

Isn't that what you want?
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Old 09-14-2013, 12:50 PM   #6
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I'm confused?

CWA is asking for a VETO and urged us to make contacts and provided a quick way to send a message direct to the Governor

Isn't that what you want?
One thing i don't get is SB 374 and SB 396,both bills are kinda the same,at least how i read them??What am i missing???
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Old 09-14-2013, 02:07 PM   #7
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SB396 never made it out of the Assembly. Perez never let it reach the floor for a vote. SB396 dealt with clips.

As far as not mentioning assault rifles in the veto request - while that is the reason for legislation - saying veto this as we want our AR15s to the uninformed may not be perceived as something that should be vetoed but if you frame it the way it is, that it is overtly broad and does not but make law abiding citizens criminals, then may have a better chance of getting the veto.
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SB396 never made it out of the Assembly. Perez never let it reach the floor for a vote. SB396 dealt with clips.

As far as not mentioning assault rifles in the veto request - while that is the reason for legislation - saying veto this as we want our AR15s to the uninformed may not be perceived as something that should be vetoed but if you frame it the way it is, that it is overtly broad and does not but make law abiding citizens criminals, then may have a better chance of getting the veto.
Kinda get it,but what i don't get,both bills talk about clips,So your deer rifle that only holds 4 rounds in the clip,SB 374 makes it illegal to use??
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I'm confused?

CWA is asking for a VETO and urged us to make contacts and provided a quick way to send a message direct to the Governor

Isn't that what you want?
It appears to me Rick, that some folks don't see CWA as 'right wing' enough.
Right wing, Left wing, or somewhere between...I support CWA as fighting for the environment and for hunting rights...some folks want to take the idea of fighting for hunting rights to the extreme 'right'?

It's the "...if you're not FOR me your AGAINST me"...point of view
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It appears to me Rick, that some folks don't see CWA as 'right wing' enough.
Right wing, Left wing, or somewhere between...I support CWA as fighting for the environment and for hunting rights...some folks want to take the idea of fighting for hunting rights to the extreme 'right'?

It's the "...if you're not FOR me your AGAINST me"...point of view
Well, as I am in that crowd , I just do not understand why they can not take a pro-gun rights, pro-hunting stance.

I'll hand it to you liberals: you never compromise (politically). Yet we conservatives are expected to compromise all the time-by liberals. And some of us are dumb enough to fall for it.
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Well, as I am in that crowd , I just do not understand why they can not take a pro-gun rights, pro-hunting stance.

I'll hand it to you liberals: you never compromise (politically). Yet we conservatives are expected to compromise all the time-by liberals. And some of us are dumb enough to fall for it.


...I know most here dont believe me...but I DO take a pro-gun rights, pro-hunting stance...just not the same gun ownership stance as you may define it.
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sorry....still trying to understand.

I will admit I have not followed this particular bill.

Can someone tell me why CWA asking for a Veto to this bill is harming gun rights. Keep it simple guys...I'm old


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Old 09-14-2013, 04:59 PM   #13
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...I know most here dont believe me...but I DO take a pro-gun rights, pro-hunting stance...just not the same gun ownership stance as you may define it.
A house divided can not stand.

Thanks to attitudes such as yours, guns such as Grandpa's old Remington 740 deer rifle, if Brown doesn't veto SB 374, will now become assault weapons. You won't be able to pass it on to your son or daughter when you die. So much for the old family heirloom.
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sorry....still trying to understand.

I will admit I have not followed this particular bill.

Can someone tell me why CWA asking for a Veto to this bill is harming gun rights. Keep it simple guys...I'm old


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It's CWA's use of the term "Legitimate Sporting Rifles." Tells me that they only care because many hunting rifles, such as the Remington 740 or the Browing BAR are affected. They don't care for those of us that hunt with AR pattern rifles, or use them for other sporting purposes, such as Three Gun competitions, NRA High Power Matches, etc...
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For the life of me I can not understand how anybody could be unhappy with CWA and what they have done for waterfowl, waterfowl hunting and the waterfowl hunter. That is their job and they do it well.

We as a society are becoming so self centered and selfish that it saddens me. What have you done for ME lately. How come you aren't echoing MY beliefs. If you don't stand up EXACTLY for what I believe in, you are a traitor to us all. ...so easy to sit in your easy chair and say how you would do it. Go do it. You go walk the halls of Congress and we will see how many of your thoughts end up on the Governors desk.

There are many ORGs out there that we need to support and they all have their specialties and areas of expertise. Hopefully, with the help of new ORGs like OHA will help focus our voice and numbers in the efforts of all of these ORGs....but you have to use a little common sense. This dis-connect blows my mind.

CWA asked that the bill be vetoed, but that is still not good enough for a few....you didn't mention me and my gun specifically... I don't want CWA fighting for my gun rights, I support other ORGs for that. My money is given to CWA for things specifically to do with waterfowl, waterfowl hunting, and waterfowl hunters, that's it. I know, I know, without guns how am I gonna hunt...I agree, that's why I also support Cal Guns, SCI, NRA...that's their job .

What have CalGun and the NRA done to help in the Klamath situation? Should I drop my membership with them because I do not feel that they are doing enough?


get off your couch and do something yourself, it can be done. Steve Eberhart is frustrated too, but he doesn't come on here crying about how some waterfowl organization is not protecting his AR15 rights. He started an ORG. to help make change and to unite these differing voices that are all doing a great job individually but sometimes need to stand together.

He is making a difference. You are part of the problem.
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If you can't see that a pro hunting and conservation organization using a using the term "Legitimate Sporting Rifles" is contributing to the divide among gun owners and hunters, then you're blind. Sportsman and recreational shooters need to stand united or we all lose.
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Rich, you're looking for something that isn't there. CWA is trying to educate those who might support the bill because they think it is just about assault weapons that the bill would also outlaw guns other than assault weapons.
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1) CWA deserves continued support for what they do regarding waterfowling and waterfowlers.
2) The "legitimate sporting rifles" wording was very poor and could conceivably be taken as the original poster did.
3) Ditchbanker isn't as menacing as he's being made out.
4) Michael is right.
5) If CWA was going to take a position on a bill it should have been done early instead of a late attempt at placating the masses.
6) Once duck season starts a lot of this will be forgotten.
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If you disagree with Michael you need to check yourself.
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6) Once duck season starts a lot of this will be forgotten.


ain't that the sad truth...
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