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  1. API

    API Political Action Forum Moderator Flyway Manager

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    Not sure of the ultimate answer because rights are so dependent upon philosophical thinking, but for sure human rights existed before some guys in powdered wigs and funny hats created a document 240 years ago. What we have in our Constitution is a formalized listing of mainly how our government is limited, not what government allows.
     
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    tub revisionist history is always entertaining. Thanks for the link!
     
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    I guess it depends on what are defined as liberties and what are rights.

    Some totalitarian countries, I believe, have very citizen rightsie constitutions. But are in fact very oppressive.

    I don't know. Our own Declaration of Independence defined what was tolerable to our Founding Fathers. Apparently there were enough Colonists that agreed with them to defeat the at the time the most powerful country in the World.

    But are modern Americans now more tolerant of rights and liberties infringement?

    It's mentioned in the American Declaration of Independence.

    Gotta go.
     
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    Rights, (especially 'inalienable' ones) by their very nature, have to come from a higher power, or one at least has to believe that there is a higher authority than man, for your inherent liberties. Otherwise, they're just some notional liberties that anyone can take away. If man 'gave' them to you, he can take them away. Recognizing them vs not is a different discussion.
     
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    "Rights" are simply philosophical norms that change and very from time to time based upon acceptance or rejection of general concensus of a society. "Rights" were not bestowed by a higher being and instead if Christian religion is the focus, it is more towards what what cannot be done via commandments.
     
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    Within our Constitution's Bill of Rights, our rights are enumerated and are not subject to cultural whim. Should a time come to change those rights, there is a specifically defined Constitutional process to facilitate such a change.
     
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    Oh yes, but cultural whims can change the Bill of Rights and the possible evidence that the writers anticipated such is the Constitutional process itself.
     
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    In the case of adding an amendment (witness the 26th giving suffrage to 18 year olds or maybe the prohibition amendments) cultural shifts can have an impact. However, in the case of changing/deleting one of the first 10 amendments (which place limits upon government), I'd expect the hill to be somewhat steeper to climb.
     

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