Another point to ponder

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  1. EvanG

    EvanG Elite Refuge Member

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    CHEATING SINGLES DRILL

    It's a practice that has been in use a very long time. But, like many well known training techniques, it's viewed differently by many trainers. So, a few questions:

    Birds only?
    Birds & bumpers?
    Bumpers only?
    Gunshot or no gun?
    Repeats or no repeats?
    Why/why not on each?

    NOTE: In my view there really are no right or wrong answers to any of these questions. I think it's more a matter of what constitutes better/fairer practice.

    EvanG
     
  2. ABREOJOS

    ABREOJOS Elite Refuge Member

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    We normally use white bumpers on this as they are easy to see. Sometimes we use ducks to make it more exciting for the dog. Placement of the fall is critical on this drill

    We always use a gunshot to make sure the dog is looking at the throw.

    We repeat this one until the dog gets it right and maybe one more to make sure. Even Lardy repeats cheating singles.
     
  3. Doc E

    Doc E Elite Refuge Member Sponsor

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    Evan,
    In any one particular training session, we may use any of the things you have mentioned.....Just depends.
    Because we train for either real hunting or HRC, we never use attention getting gun shots from the field.

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    KwickLabs Elite Refuge Member

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    Haaaa.....well.....never mind. :h

    Then again, that may explain why my duck hunting has been un-real for the last several years. :nutz
     
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    Larsen's Labs Elite Refuge Member

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    So is all your hunting done with a bow? LL
     
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    Doc E Elite Refuge Member Sponsor

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    I know that you aren't Swede, so that makes it hard for you to understand, but do you know what, "Attention getting shots FROM the FIELD" are ?

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    The Hilljack Elite Refuge Member

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    I don't like to mix the two (plastic and feathers). But it does happen in group training. Seems like most people throw birds for makrs and dump a pile of bumpers for a blind. I like the reward for a blind being a duck. Plus mixing seems to cause confusion.
    Don't usually shoot on a re-throw, but I find myself asking for a re-throw a lot more than ever before and it really works. Even having the gunner stand up and sit down on retired birds has been a huge help.
     
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    jackiejp Refuge Member

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    Mostly use bumpers when doing non-slip drills but move to live birds for field work (my dog gets lots of live flyers) and dead birds for blinds.
     
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    EvanG Elite Refuge Member

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    I appreciate all input. Please remember, however, that the question is specifically about the drill known as Cheating Singles.

    EvanG
     
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    Birds only? No. I'm not using "stinky ducks" until the weather breaks.
    Birds & bumpers? Sometimes
    Bumpers only? Usually. Bumpers are easier
    Gunshot or no gun? No. Rarely train with gun. probably should more often.
    Repeats or no repeats? Yes. builds confidence.
     

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