Hitman, I think you are looking at AR the wrong way. You can use it to manage a public deer herd, but it all depends on what you are trying to manage. You seem to think that the only reason to have AR is to make TROPHY bucks. 3 or 4pt restrictons on one side only is not going to make for a trophy buck management plan. What it is going to do is protect the "majority" of your 1.5yr old bucks, which make up over 75% of the bucks killed, and allows those bucks to get a little age on them(and hopefully some respectable size). What that does is reduce you buck kill totals & hopfully increases your doe kill totals, which in turn in a few years brings you buck to doe ratio back into a more healthy range. That is all AR's are for, herd health, bigger more mature bucks is just an added benefit of the program. You are right in the fact that it would be almost impossible to manage a public herd, but only if you are managing for TROPHY class bucks. Because as someone mentioned to do that would include min. points/side and a min. rack width, which is too much to ask of the public(imho). As BSS menitioned, Arkansas has had a 3pt rule in affect for 4 or 5 years(along with a four deer limit of only which two could be bucks), and in our part of the state(the delta) it has worked. I have increasingly seen more rut activiate & larger bucks each and every year since the start of AR. IMHO our state took a step backwards this year, they kept the 3pt rule, reduced our limit to 3 deer(not a bad thing), but only 1 could be a doe. How can you achieve a buck to doe ratio of 1:1(which is perfect) if you allow the hunters to take twice as many bucks as doe? But due to public pressure they bowed down and took this step backwards. They have plans in the works to go to a 4pt rule in the state next year, we will see what they come up with. Hitman you can't worry about the legal buck that you pass up only to get wacked by someone else, because that buck was a LEGAL buck, just not a "shooter" in your terms. Every buck you pass up will not be shot, and you WILL be rewarded with bigger bucks by passing up the small ones. In fact, I would be willing to bet you already have. Have you? I also read your thougts on weather or not it was the states place to tell someone how big of a buck they can kill. Once again the management tool is not in place to make people kill trophy class bucks, it is there to make the total deer herd more healthy. Which I think is the states job. If they were trying to make everyone kill just trophy bucks, they would only let you shoot 18" 10 pts or bigger. Now there is some studies that show that what Packman is saying about the results of AR is true. But all of those studies were on smaller tracks and in controlled enviroments, and I am not sure how they relate to a wild deer herd. But they for sure do not need to be ignored, and something I think the state of Arkansas is taking a look at.