Any Mormons in "the House" ??

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  1. rmk800

    rmk800 Elite Refuge Member

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    I thought the PBS special was pretty good myself! i have them recorded on the DVR. It helped me look at things with a different perspective.

    Good idea, i didnt even think about bringing that up.

    i was told that those 2 episodes on frontline were the most watched on frontline....is that true or just hear say??
     
  2. rmk800

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    wow! There is some really good stuff on the PBS website. it has a complete listing of the interviews taken with all the people on the documentary.

    this is one i thought interesting seeing how it has come up...what makes us different

    This is Jeffery R. Holland of the quorum of the 12 apostles.
    Doctrinally, what separates Mormons from the rest of the Christian world?
    The two most distinguishing characteristics that come to mind that would separate us from other institutional religions, including institutional Christianity, are these: One is our view of the godhead. We believe that God the Father and Jesus Christ the Son and the Holy Ghost are three separate, distinct individuals. We believe they are united in every other conceivable way: in purpose, in majesty, in duty, in love, in glory, in mercy, in communication, in whatever, ... except personal being. They are separate. ...

    That's one distinguishing characteristic. The other is priesthood authority and the keys, if you will -- the right to speak and act in the name of God, ... to have a baptism authorized, to have a marriage authorized in the eyes of God. I'm not talking about the civil law; I'm not talking about the goodwill of the Christian brotherhood; I'm talking about the right to speak or act for God. ... One of these foundational pieces ... is the restoration of the holy priesthood, whereby actual authority is conveyed from heaven to us on earth to perform this ordinance, "us" being the Latter-day Saints.


    and another question/answer by Holland:

    Turning the question around, do Mormons feel that Christians are Christian?

    ... It is absolutely incumbent upon us and our solemn obligation to acknowledge every good thing and every good act and every good truth of anybody on the face of this earth, including -- and especially, in terms of a brotherhood and sisterhood -- Christians and Christian churches. Somehow there has evolved this chasm, this decisive distinction. ... That seems to me absolutely wrong. It's wrong on the face of it; it's wrong in my experience; it's wrong doctrinally. ... As an institutional response, it seems to me that past, present or future, it is not our call to damn or deny or vilify anybody else. Our call is to extend the fruits of His ministry and the benefit of what we know.

    Our universal cry, as I understand it, is to say, "Bring any good thing you have, bring any truth you've ever known, every Gospel principle you've ever embraced, every non-Gospel, civil, humanitarian impulse you've ever had," which, by the way, would be part of the Gospel in our definition -- and our only duty is to add to that. We do believe we can give value added. There's something we can contribute that ... was not available prior to the restoration, the Gospel and Joseph Smith. ...

    I'm in the good-news business. It is to no advantage and to no purpose for me to desecrate or decry. I would do that against evil. I would speak out against child molesters and pornographers. There are things that I'm not going to equivocate on. But I'm not talking about individual people's religious belief and their quest for the best that's within them. ...

    Now, in saying that, that is not some mournful plea from the gallery about wanting to be mainstream in 21st-century Christianity. That is not an issue for me. I don't have any particular desire to have anybody say whether we're mainstream or whether we're not. ... I have no particular wish to in any way be seen as another Protestant religion. We are adamantly not another Protestant religion.

    But what I don't like, and what I don't want to perpetuate, is the personal antagonism and the personal cleavage where otherwise wonderful people can go to dinner together and have their kids on the soccer team together and carpool to the PTA together, and then, when it comes to religion, just start throwing fists. That does not seem to me right.
     
  3. Lowtide

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    I believe he is saying no, we are not.
     
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    Use the entire quote. He is saying you are in fact Christians and there should be no reason for a division in that regard.

    olepal
     
  5. Rjm6254

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    What is the future dream of the LDS Church in America from a LDS perspective?
    I mean in your best case senerio what does America look like politically ,culturally,etc....

    Do we continue to be a Democratic Republic under LDS majority should that occur?
    I have seen where the LDS is very punitive to any followers that question LDS authority and they supress dissent as well as practice shunning in the organization.
    As Preident would a Mormon use nuclear weapons in war?
    Would a LDS president council with their prophet before useing military force?
    Will it be Mandatory for Mormons to serve in the Military service ,Army,Air force ,Marines for a period of time or in lou of their missionary service?
    Will A mormon president be a president of all of Americans includeing Gays,Non Christians,Non Mormons,Atheists etc?
    If a LDS president of America is elected will he nominate Mormon Judges to the supreme court?
    If your next LDS prophet decreed that poligamy was to be reinstated as a church policy would youaccept this policy ?
    If you had a magic red button right now and if you push that button all non LDS people were eith converted to LDS faith or gone from the earth would you push that button?
     
  6. sdkidaho

    sdkidaho Decoy, Gun Dog, Christian, Idaho, Montana/Wyoming Moderator Flyway Manager

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    If I remember correctly, these were issues when JFK was up for election as well. Why? Because the nation wasn't sure they wanted a Catholic President.

    Hate is hate, no matter how you try to disguise it. Christianity has no room for hate. Christ would not allow that. Hopefully people soon realize that.
     
  7. rmk800

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    i would say the dream of the church is to flurish as it has done so without persectution and more tolerance and understanding between faiths of all kind.
    i would believe so. LDS theology is the same as all other christians. we are left to our own to govern ourselves until Christ comes again to reign supreme.
    it is wrong to critizied the church even if that critisizm it true. because the authority of the church starts with Christ and then followed by his mouthpiece the Prophet.
    im sure he would be properly engaged just as any president would.
    most likely not. at least i dont think so. The church is very against getting heavily involved in most political situations...im sure the church would offer its advise, but they would have to asked first.
    probably not. remember it is heavily advised and requested that all worthy young men serve a mission...if one does not there are no consiquenses for not doing so. my own father didnt serve a mission and he has had several respectible callings.
    i see that he would be an american president. not a hyphen president. like catholic-american or utah-mormon...ect.
    probably not...that would not go over very well. i would not be happy with that.
    i think this is where i would have to draw a line in the sand for me. not unless there was a higher level of understanding of Gods will for me and my family.
    no i would not push a button like that. that would take away the greatest gift God has given you and me...our free agency. that is why satan was cast out of heaven as recorded in Revelations. he wanted to take away mans free agency. at least that is what we believe.

    There RJM, i have ansewered your questions. please answer mine they are back a few posts.
     
  8. Rjm6254

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    I dont dont have any problem with LDS not wanting to discuss in a public forum the ceremonies or rituals of the Temple. I dont think those private things like chants symbolizm or magic undies is necessairy to establish if the LDS faith is a Chrstian faith or a cult or some other false religion.
    I didnt realize tho that a religion can believe that Jesus is not God alone but separate entity of God and still be considered Christian .I believe Mormons are Gnostic Christian if Christian at all and thats OK with me . I thank you for your honest answers to my questions they do help me understand the LDS faith better.
     
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    RMK800, thank you for post #188, those were some straight forward answers. Nice to be proven wrong.
     
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    Let me start by saying that in retrospect the wording of my previous posts left something to be desired. I think I was rude, therefore in poor taste, and inappropriate for a public forum. Much of my problem is a desire to brief. Concerning the secrets Mormonism it might better said they guard them, instead of lying about them. My pastor reminded me that the rank and file Mormon, LDS, members are not even privy to the temple secrets.
    Concerning the Mormon group it must be noted that in addition to the Bible they have three other books they consider inspired. These are the book of Mormon, the pearl of great price, and doctrines and covenants. The book of Mormon is the only one released to the general population. Since the pearl of great price and doctrines and covenants are guarded so jealously we rely on people who left the group and brought their knowledge of these books with them. The Mormon response is to discredit anyone who does this. The best way to learn about Mormonism is go to a christian book store get some books and do some reading. I stated before that I thought the errors of Mormonism were too many and too complicated to be discussed here. I still hold that opinion, however I will discuss several of them.

    The first is that they believe the three other books are inspired at all. Concerning the doctrines and covenants Mormons believe: “but this doctrines and covenants contains the word of God to those here dwell here now. It is our book. It belongs to the latter day saints” (doctrines and covenants student manual, p.2)
    Christians believe the Bible is the complete Word of God. Any group that adds to the Word of God should be rejected. Rev. 22:18
    The simple fact that Mormons add to the Word should be enough warn a Christian.

    Many of their other beliefs outlined in these books are so bizarre that it is difficult to take them seriously. They believe that Jesus was conceived by natural means through intercourse with God. “We believe that he came into the world, born of Mary literally and actually, as we are born of our mothers: that he came into the world, born of God the Eternal Father the Almighty Elohim, literally and actually, as we are born of our earthly fathers.”(Sharing the gospel manual, p.74)

    This is not Christian belief concerning the Immaculate Conception. We believe Jesus is the eternal God incarnate. John, chapter 1

    While I agree it would be nice to just “all get along” this not always possible. I do not fear Mormonism and certainly I am not afraid they are right. I do believe it is important to defend the faith entrusted to the saints. Mostly I feel sorry for Mormons. It is sad to watch them attack anyone who tries to help them see the truth. I believe the Bible is the only rule of life and faith. This is what Christians believe. I bear witness that Jesus Christ, God incarnate, suffered, died and was buried and rose again after the third day. We are saved from our sins by his blood, raised to newness of life by the power of his resurrection. This is what I bear witness to.
     

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