Well , that's what my thinking is too ! You fellas must be really good shots (at close range) to not have many holes in your birds but I'm still wondering about the choke constriction you choose to use , with these 6's ? I also shoot a lot of clay targets ( both Trap and Sporting ) and I have shot Steel 6's through different constrictions just to see what the pattern performance would be at different yardages , on the patterning board . It would be interesting to see how you're capable of not having to many holes in your birds , at what distance ? Oh and I Have also shot the heads off of Mallards inside of 20 yds .