I can, I'll take that bet, 25 out of 50. What do I win, a "self proclaimed top wingshot"? Like Scott, I've shot a lot of places and I'm always amazed how many top clays shooters are doing it in the offseason, to stay tuned up. Amber Brown and her dad have been shooting clays about a year. I said no way, then "I'll bet you both shoot ducks". Oh yea, every chance they get was the answer, she hopes to hunt more when she gets her license... This guy is pretty good, I'd call him a pro since he wins lots of money & has a bunch of sponsors. He's known to break some really long tough clays and some birds once in a while. These two guys are kind of good at clays, I'd call them both "pro's" since they make their livings by winning big shoots, giving lessons, or shooting on Team USA all over the world. At 60-70 days in the field hunting, I'd bet they can bust a duck also. This guy is fairly good also, I'd call him a pro, since Beretta gives him an Amex and says go shoot somewhere every week!! Some of the best advice for hunters, sounds familiar, like I've heard it somewhere before. Then there's this guy also. He won a big FITASC shoot in some country across the ocean this summer. When he's not making a living from clay shooting he's out busting honkers with his Dad & Sister. She's a pretty good shot also. I think just about every top shot I've ever talked to, including Blackdog58, are all exceptional bird hunters. One from Washington State goes by the screen name of Birdshooter on another forum for goose hunting. Live birds and clays go hand in hand, as it should be. It would be the exception to find a top clays shooter/Pro that isn't on birds a few months of the year.