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  1. Rjm6254

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    Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love?. 1 John 4:8

    ?For if you forgive men for their transgressions, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. ?But if you do not forgive men, then your Father will not forgive your transgressions. Matthew 6:14-15

    ?I pray that out of His glorious riches He may strengthen you with power through His Spirit in your inner being, so that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith. And I pray that you, being rooted and established in love, may have power, together with all the saints, to grasp how wide and long and high and deep is the love of Christ, and to know this love that surpasses knowledge?that you may be filled to the measure of all the fullness of God. Ephesians 3:16-19 (writen by Paul)

    This is not the god of the old testament.This God is the true God the Holy Father who is made know to us through his WORD made flesh . Jesus Christ
     
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    God is not god there are many false gods the israelites had many gods .
    In their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.? 2 Corinthians 4:4
    Notice the immense contrast between Jehovah with the ?evil you?re going to read? and ?the Spirit of the Lord in which there is freedom?.

    So the all sinful abominable being in the OT (YHWH) and the Spirit of love (Jesus heavenly father) in the NT are not the same character AT ALL.
    Remember that Moses and the Israelites believe in the existence of many gods but worshiped one, so it means that YHWH is not The Creator but just another god, their god.
     
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    I'm not sure whether this is getting sad or funny
     
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    I dont think you fully understand the danger Christians are in that believe Jesus Chist is the son of Yahwey or Jehovah of the old testament .
    OT god is evil The name Jehovah is used among other names to call the main ?godly character? in the Old Testament of The Bible.

    That name has been used in other less known books such as The Book of Enoch, but I?m not referring to any other source than The Bible and particularly the Old Testament.

    For those who don?t like the use of the word evil referring to this character, or if you pretend to be beyond good and evil (which I understand) you will find through the reading of those very many quotes that this character?s behavior is just sinful, immoral, angry, atrocious, bad, baneful, base, beastly, calamitous, corrupt, cruel, damnable, depraved, destructive, disastrous, execrable, flagitious, foul, harmful, hateful, heinous, hideous, iniquitous, injurious, loathsome, low, maleficent, malevolent, malicious, malignant, nefarious, no good, obscene, offensive, pernicious, poison, rancorous, reprobate, repugnant, repulsive, revolting, spiteful, stinking, ugly, unpleasant, unpropitious, vicious, vile, villainous, wicked, wrathful, wrong.

    So forget about the word evil, there are still many other adjectives that fit the character.
     
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    Yahweh sent his own son to die for the sins of the world. The truth is painful. God knew he would raise him from the dead. Why would God kill innocent people? He killed his own son. You do not like the Truth.
     
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    Jehovah Equated with Satan
    Note: Two curious passages in the Bible seem to equate Jehovah and Satan.
    The passages, which refer to the same event in the history of Israel [King David orders a census of the "chosen people"], are as follows:
    The anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel, and he moved David against them to say, Go, number Israel and judah. -II Samuel 24:1

    And Satan stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel. -/ Chronicles 21:1
     
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    Paul criticizes Moses, the Old Testament and the ?god of this world?(the devil)?
    Read what Paul, the founder of Christianity wrote 20 centuries ago in the 2nd letter to Corinthians chapter 3 ?
    ?7 Now if the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone, came with glory, so that the Israelites could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of its glory, transitory though it was, 8 will not the ministry of the Spirit be even more glorious? 9 If the ministry that brought condemnation was glorious, how much more glorious is the ministry that brings righteousness! 10 For what was glorious has no glory now in comparison with the surpassing glory. 11 And if what was transitory came with glory, how much greater is the glory of that which lasts!
    12 Therefore, since we have such a hope, we are very bold. 13 We are not like Moses, who would put a veil over his face to prevent the Israelites from seeing the end of what was passing away. 14 But their minds were made dull, for to this day the same veil remains when the old covenant is read. It has not been removed, because only in Christ is it taken away. 15 Even to this day when Moses is read, a veil covers their hearts. 16 But whenever anyone turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away. 17 Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. 18 And we all, who with unveiled faces contemplate[a] the Lord?s glory, are being transformed into his image with ever-increasing glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit.? 2 Corinthians 3
     
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    Why did God send his own son to die?
     
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    Yup,still hung up on the"evil" in the old testament. Like I said, ya just don't get it.
     

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