AWF/ArkDemocratGaz...Let the season reccomendation debate begin

Discussion in 'Arkansas Flyway Forum' started by snapp, May 16, 2004.

  1. La. Legend

    La. Legend Elite Refuge Member

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    BINGO !!!!! We have a winner folks.

    Add to this that there just weren't enough ducks to sustain a 60/6 season, no that it really mattered, and the reason for our poor seasons becomes a no brainer. Now you can propose all the changes you want but their not likely to change a thing. Until these ag practices change what many of us have come to expect will be nothing more than a memory. Ducks just don't need to come to Ar. anymore. Your just not gonna get the kind of weather it's gonna take to push the birds off of this food. I've never seen it in 44 years of chasing em and even if it did happen it would be rare. Ducks don't have to feed everyday. A hen doesn't eat the whole time she on the nest. Unless you have a lot of snow cover that hangs around for several weeks they'll just find open water and wait for the thaw. Better get use to it boys. Unless non duck food ag prices go sky high we have seen all of the good ol days were gonna see.

    John Bell I'm not really sure who's data your using but it's bovine caca. According to recent studies reducing harvest numbers will not increase the number of ducks returning to the breeding grounds nor wil reducing harvested hens. We're killing ducks that wouldn't make it back anyway so how does passing on them help? Another point is the biologist have proven over and over again that if you send a 100 ducks South and 50 of them return that they will sustain another 100 bird migration if habitat conditions are the same. Lets assume that using your theory that we sent 200 ducks back. If the habitat was not adequate this would produce no more ducks and those extra 100 would do nothing more than supply a good buffet for the predators. It's still about adequate habitat and reducing predator numbers if you wanna see population increases.

    We all saw some of those calendar ducks this past season. Saw being the buzz word and not killed unless they were too old to play the game anymore. I believe the buzz word for this is imprinting. Their mature birds that know how to refuge hop and feed and night. They could care less about a decoy spread or a call and for the most part won't get near either. The exception to this are juvies which brings up the only proposal that makes a little sense. Juvies don't know about refuges and when their instincts say go South thats what they do. With spinners taking over 70% of the juvies the few that survive have learned how the game is played by the time they get to us. A ban on spinners would help us but only if all the Ms. Flyway states did it. Not a permanent fix by a long shot but it could produce some very interesting first splits again. After they've been shot and survivors wise up we're back to square one again. Birds that don't wanna play.

    We've a major problem that these warm, fuzzy, band aid fix proposals will have little, if any, effect on. I think this is much to do about nothing really. With the economic impact that duck hunting has on Ar. the politicians who control the AF&G will take all that the feds are gonna give em regardless of these proposals. They might reduce the limits, which won't do a thing but they'll take everyday the feds give em. Justice will always be for those who have the gold.
     
  2. ckj1100

    ckj1100 Senior Refuge Member

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    Outstanding comment on Imprinting...


    I have been feeling that the last several years went something like this (short version):

    First year ducks come part way down because of no bad weather to push them further, refuge hop, eat seed/feed corn, & go back...Next year, they come back as second year ducks bringing first year ducks stop short, refuge hop, eat corn from dump trucks, & go back...Next year they come back as third year ducks bringing second & first year ducks same situation....Got to be Imprinting...

    We had one refuge & it was good...Then the people over the way saw it & got them one, then it carried over to the next group & next & next...Now, the ducks can refuge hop from Canada to LA...Plus, all the argi changes...


    We are changing the migration habits of the birds...
    We have been over shooting them in certain areas...
    We have been imprinting safe locations...
    OOS do not have anything to do with this...
    We have been to greedy...

    And finally $300 for a half day times 5-10+ hunters times 60 days...If you have not ever done the math, do it now...I cannot afford it...
     
  3. snapp

    snapp Elite Refuge Member

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    Has everyone e-mailed in their thoughts to the Arkansas Game and Fish Commission?
     
  4. Cache

    Cache Senior Refuge Member

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    Email? Check!
    Letter? Check!
    Phone call? Check!
    Attend meetings on June 3? Check!!
     
  5. Mr.Bones

    Mr.Bones New England Moderator Moderator

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    Sent my letters and E-mails Snapp!
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  6. MGDUCK2

    MGDUCK2 Elite Refuge Member

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    THAT'S A DONE DEAL ......:tu
     
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    MGDUCK2 Elite Refuge Member

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