Baltimore officer shot by uniformed police

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  1. rahma

    rahma Senior Refuge Member

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    This is why Joe....

    Kind of like the mothers out there who for no known reason drown their kids, cut their kids arms off, throw their kids off a bridge, etc.

    Or the father who decides to shoot and kill his 6 year old daughter, shoot and wound his 13 year old daughter and then kill himself.

    He was described by his neighbors, friends and family members as a gentle, kind family man. Heck, he went to his 6 year old's school 2 days before and had lunch with her.

    Or how about the 70 year old man who was stopped by a Texas State Trooper and then gunned the Trooper down with a deer rifle.

    How many examples would you like?

    A person doesn't always have a history of violence or unusual behavior leading up to violence. It is usually those types that are the most dangerous and the most unpredictable.
     
  2. rahma

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    Here is what one news report had to say about Norman Stamp

    "Take one step into Officer Norman Stamp's home, and it is obvious that this was a man who loved his job--and loved living life.

    "If you were in trouble, even if you weren't in trouble, he would help you anyway, he was that kind of guy," says best friend Webb Gartrell.

    On Friday those that knew Norman best, gathered at his house to arrange for his funeral.

    He died just after midnight on Thursday, at a bar in Southeast Baltimore.

    According to police, there was a fight inside of the Haven Place Bar, that spilled outside. Off duty, Stamp came out armed with brass knuckles, and according to police, did not announce himself as an officer.

    He was shot and killed by an on-duty cop, that thought he was going for his gun. Stamp's friends are outraged.

    "He was going out there to help that night, I guarantee it. The City of Baltimore needs to step up and give him his pension, line of duty service and things like that," says friend Andy Heckrotte.

    Webb Gartrell was Norman's best friend. They have known each other over 25 years.

    "I want people to know that there is nothing Norm would do to harm anybody, he was the man with the biggest heart."

    Norman Stamp just got remarried four years ago—on Friday his wife couldn't even come downstairs in her grief.

    His friends remember him as a man who has literally given them the shirt off of his back--as a police officer that knew half of Baltimore--and a cigar lover that always had a stogie hanging out of his mouth. "
     
  3. rahma

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    And another

    "Baltimore, Md. -- Who was officer Norman Stamp?

    He was a career cop with more than 44 years on the streets.

    “He was a character what we call the old time police.” Said Paul Blair, President of the Baltimore City Fraternal Order Of Police Chapter.

    Forty four years is a long time to do any job, let alone work as a cop on some of the toughest streets in America.

    But his friends say it was a job officer Norman Stamp loved to do every day. “He had been there done that and had tee shirts to prove it good police of they type that saved this city for years and patrolled the streets.” Blair said.

    Officer Stamp’s last assignment was with the marine unit but he spent most of his time working traffic, specifically with motorcycles.....he did everything from write tickets to escort presidents.

    Officer Stamp worked a lot of special details during his career. Everything from event traffic to escorting US presidents.

    But one of the things he was most proud of is the Chosen Sons Motorcycle Club. A Baltimore biker institution since 1969.

    “He started this club and this club was started for police officers over this year this club was opened up to the fire department postal workers over the years all sorts of individuals.” Said a man calling him self Nitro, a longtime friend of Stamps.

    Nitro says Stamps rarely missed an event, with fundraising rides all over the state. His friends say he was someone who really cared. “A really outgoing person he could help anybody he could help he's known through the biker community and through other police officers fordoing such.” Nitro Said.
    Officer Stamps is survived by his wife and daughter. He was the third longest active serving officer on the city police force."
     
  4. rahma

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    :rolleyes: Looks like he must have had everyone fooled, since he had so much history of violent behavior.:eek: :eek:
     
  5. Native NV Ducker

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    You know, at first, (silly me) I thought Joe was just mis-guided, or mis-informed, and was actually seeking answers to questions.

    Now, especially in this thread, I can plainly see Joe has serious mental issues, refuses to listen to logic, and has a very warped, one-sided view of the world, at least where LEO's are concerned.

    I actually (silly me again) tried to answer Joe with in-depth knowledge of my years as a LEO, to try to help him understand. I gave advice, including recommending he attend a Citizen's Academy, and seek answers there. He never did reply to my TWO recommendations the seek such an Academy.

    It is like trying to explain to a color blind person that the sky is blue. All they see is grey. They can't, and never will, understand the color blue, no matter how much you try to explain it.

    So, while I may continue to read these threads, just to shake my head, I am done posting to try to help Joe understand.

    Too bad, Joe. I thought you just wanted answers. Turns out, you don't care about the answers, only the 'questions'.

    See ya.
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  6. rahma

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    :clap :clap :clap :clap As usual....Well Put Native:tu

    Oh....Where do find these smileys? They killin me!
     
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    Trust me. We feelin' ya, playah!!!:yes
     
  8. joe117

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    Now, especially in this thread, I can plainly see Joe has serious mental issues, refuses to listen to logic, and has a very warped, one-sided view of the world, at least where LEO's are concerned.


    Look…. All I did was post what the Baltimore Police Commissioner said in a press conference.

    And I added that I wondered that if that cop would draw on a uniformed cop, what would he do to a civilian who got in his way?

    And you don’t like me saying that.

    Well let me ask you what would have Officer Stamp done with those brass knuckles if he hadn’t been stopped by the uniforms on the scene?

    He wad about to get into a street fight with a civilian. He wasn’t showing a badge and he wasn’t acting as a policeman.
    He was about to kick azz on some guy he was angry with in a bar fight…. And we know that he pulled a gun when the fight didn’t go his way.

    How can you guys defend that?

    If there were no uniforms outside the bar...that bar fight hadn't gone his way,
    what makes you think he wouldn't have pulled his gun on whoever knocked him down?

    And you say that "Joe has serious mental issues, refuses to listen to logic, and has a very warped, one-sided view"?

    I say you just don't want to hear what happened. Read below...

    BALTIMORE (CBS) ― An off-duty Baltimore officer shot by uniformed police during a fight outside a bar has died in a Baltimore hospital.

    CBS station WJZ-TV reported Officer Norman Stamp, 65, was a 44-year veteran of the police department.

    Baltimore Police Commissioner Frederick Bealefeld says Stamp's shooting by a uniformed officer has led to "an incredibly difficult time" for the police force, but he says the people in the department will - in his words - "remain focused, vigilant and undaunted in our effort to make Baltimore safer."

    Stamp was pronounced dead shortly after 2 a.m. Thursday at the University of Maryland Shock Trauma Center.

    Stamp was shot after uniformed officers responded to a fight reported outside the Haven Place bar shortly after midnight.

    According to Bealefeld, the officers were trying to arrest the combatants when Stamp emerged from the bar armed with brass knuckles. Bealefeld says Stamp did not respond to an officer's order to stop. The officer fired a Taser, sending Stamp to the ground. Stamp drew a handgun, and Bealefeld says the officer had "no recourse" but to fire two shots from his on handgun.

    Stamps was struck by at least one bullet and died about an hour later at Shock Trauma.

    Baltimore Police Commissioner Frederick Bealefeld says veteran officer Norman Stamp "was a mentor to some and a friend to many."
     
  9. rahma

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    :tu :tu for the second time
     
  10. joe117

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    Ok.....
    I thought that you would agree that the 44 year cop was not acting out of character and that had the uniforms not intervened.... He would have used his brass knuckles on a citizen.

    And the point that he used those brass knuckles..... A dangerous illegal weapon....And pulling a gun on a uniform was not commented on in his eulogy at the FOOP.Only means to me that this was one of their own.

    I know it’s hard to admit that this guy was ready and able to kill one of you….. But that’s what happened.

    And I’m not some kind of a dick for pointing it out to you.

    He would have killed you rahma……….

    That old cop with the brass knuckles and the gun in his holster would have killed you if you got in his way that night……

    I said that…… It’s the obvious truth…… And you think there is something wrong with me for saying that?
     

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