Big shooting at Mandalay Bay casino in Las Vegas.

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  1. H20DAD

    H20DAD Elite Refuge Member

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    How many mass killings have been attempted or completed with fully automatic weapons?

    More with fertilizer, gasoline, and airplanes. Would you look to ban fertilizer, gasoline, or airplanes? But in your mind you can reason with your logic. It doesn't make it logical it just makes sense to you. There is a huge difference.
     
  2. tcc

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    The inclusion of the 2nd in the constitution does make it more important than those laws/regs not spelled out as such. That document is the fundamental core of our laws and our country, and that particular one even goes so far as to say it shall not be infringed, which tells me they found it to be very important.

    As for where the line should be, I say if we're ok with you owning a gun it shouldn't really matter what kind it is. If you can own a .22 why not an M16? Obviously if I decide to kill I can do so more with the M16, but simply owning one isn't going to make me a killer, that's not how it works. And if it does, you're screwed up anyway and no law would stop you.

    It's just as dumb of an argument to take the stance that adding new laws or restrictions will stop mass killings. Hell you even admit it won't, yet still want to add more rules/laws. :doh
     
  3. seiowa

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    I don't want more rules and laws. What some of you can't wrap your head around is some of us, hunt, own guns, like guns, and don't want any guns being declared illegal for private ownership. That being said you can still advocate for tossing the other side a bone when it comes to something fairly insignificant. Like bump stocks.

    People say "why ban bump stocks when you can bump fire off your belt loop?"

    I reply "well why fight like hell to keep them then, if you can still get your Rambo jollies at the range using a belt loop??"

    You seem ticked about bowing to the dirty lefties. Has the NRA failed you? Are you going to burn your NRA duffel bag and post it on facebook with your NFL jerseys? Surely this group inclusive of some of the highest powered lawyers in the country, lobbyists, former politicians, marketing gurus, has made a mistake! Yellow bellies! Half breeds! Compromise is for puzzies. Surely a bunch of guys on a duck hunting website with a collective political experience of about 1% of members and even less with law degrees have a better idea for what should have been done.

    IMO we are all on the same side essentially, this being a hunting forum. The debate between gun owners is whether or not to give an inch, and if or how we should compartmentalize anything in the firearm world. Aka should firearm ban lists remain untouched, while certain things like bump stocks, or certain types of high capacity be regulated or restricted.

    This whole thread...we have people beating their heads against the walls yelling and screaming at the other side til they are blue in the face...and while we are all pizzed off at eachother, we are all probably within a couple of decimal points on the spectrum when it comes to 2A beliefs.

    United we stand, divided we fall. I preach that about sporting pursuits more than anything. It applies to gun owners as well. We've got to reach a compromise between ourselves if we hope to defend against outside interest, outside interest in this case being the complete anti 2a crowd.

    Also of course it wont STOP mass killings. Nothing will. Do speeding laws stop car accidents? No, and nothing will, but it helps.

    You get huffy when people put words in your mouth, but I NEVER said more laws or restrictions will STOP murder. Saying i did robs me of credibility in the argument and thats why you did it. But read my posts more carefully, I'm an idiot but not a total imbecile.

    And I know - BUT SPEEDING/DRIVING IS NOT IN THE CONSTITUTION LOLOL
     
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  4. Damian Wiening

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    Unknown, the rate of ownership of firearms has gone up and the murder rate has gone down, can you explain that.
     
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    Well here is the proposed bill, it in effect can ban AR-15's outright, no base line for parts, different parts used by different manufactures, no after market triggers, no different stock, say a normal Magpul stock added can be defined a speed enhancer, gone now, quality trigger for accurate shooting, gone now.

    This will effect any semiautomatic from .17 to 20MM cannon, think you can upgrade or did you upgrade your 10/22, you or your kid is a felon.

    It's not about AR-15's its about all guns, make your choice, contact your elected leaders and oppose this.

    https://www.feinstein.senate.gov/pu...71B98A52.automatic-gunfire-prevention-act.pdf
     
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  6. tcc

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    That goes both ways though ya know. You're rambling on about me not wanting to give an inch, when I've said multiple times I simply want that inch to mean something. I want grown men to sit down at the table and figure something out, work out a plan or something. That's not what we have here though, all we have is a knee jerk reaction to a horrific event; we're operating out of emotion and not logic. And as many here have said we really don't care about the bump stock, it's the precedent that we're setting to immediately ban whatever it is the anti's feel is at fault, knowing damn good and well that while we may think we're offering a nice compromise they will in no way be satisfied.

    I agree that we're likely all on the same page as a whole, probably in the same paragraph. All in all I'm just happy that after 50+ pages you've finally admitted you're an idiot....:nutz
     
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    You mean they don't just want the bump stocks gone? :eek:
     
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    I would expect nothing less from someone like her. It will not pass.
     
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    I personally believe having better access to comprehensive mental health care would do much more to combat these senseless mass murders than all the suggested gun and accessories bans combined. I'm talking in general not specifically about the LV shooter. If you have a for real mental case in your family that is over the age of 18 and refusing help or medications then you already know what I'm talking about. You can have all the bans you want but it will mean nothing to a psychotic individual.
     

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