Civil War... are we there again?

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  1. API

    API PAF-CA Flyway Moderator Flyway Manager

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    Recently I saw some commentary about works by the late (recently departed) Jack Minzey previously head of Department of Education at Eastern Michigan University as well as a author of numerous books, most of which were on the topic of Education and the Government's role therein. The commentary subject was Civil War. Here's one view of Dr. Minzey's take. Look familiar? One striking aspect of the writ is... The MSN doesn't appear to have touched this perspective. "Why is that" is a reasonable question. For sure though... Dr. MInzey nailed what we struggle against... that would be government directed by those anointed ones who know best.

    Civil War

    How do civil wars happen?

    Two or more sides disagree on who runs the country. And they can’t settle the question through elections because they don’t even agree that elections are how you decide who’s in charge. That’s the basic issue here. Who decides who runs the country? When you hate each other but accept the election results, you have a country. When you stop accepting election results, you have a countdown to a civil war.

    The Mueller investigation is about removing President Trump from office and overturning the results of an election. We all know that. But it’s not the first time they’ve done this. The first time a Republican president was elected this century, they said he didn’t really win. The Supreme Court gave him the election. There’s a pattern here.

    What do sure odds of the Democrats rejecting the next Republican president really mean? It means they don’t accept the results of any election that they don’t win. It means they don’t believe that transfers of power in this country are determined by elections.

    That’s a civil war.

    There’s no shooting. At least not unless you count the attempt to kill a bunch of Republicans at a charity baseball game practice. But the Democrats have rejected our system of government.

    This isn’t dissent. It’s not disagreement. You can hate the other party.

    You can think they’re the worst thing that ever happened to the country. But then you work harder to win the next election. When you consistently reject the results of elections that you don’t win, what you want is a dictatorship.

    Your very own dictatorship.

    The only legitimate exercise of power in this country, according to Democrats, is its own. Whenever Republicans exercise power, it’s inherently illegitimate. The Democrats lost Congress. They lost the White House. So what did they do? They began trying to run the country through Federal judges and bureaucrats. Every time that a Federal judge issues an order saying that the President of the United States can’t scratch his own back without his say so, that’s the civil war.

    Our system of government is based on the constitution, but that’s not the system that runs this country. The Democrat’s system is that any part of government that it runs gets total and unlimited power over the country.

    If the Democrats are in the White House, then the president can do anything. And I mean anything. He can have his own amnesty for illegal aliens. He can fine you for not having health insurance. His power is unlimited. He’s a dictator.

    But when Republicans get into the White House, suddenly the President can’t do anything. He isn’t even allowed to undo the illegal alien amnesty that his predecessor illegally invented. A Democrat in the White House has ‘discretion’ to completely decide every aspect of immigration policy. A Republican doesn’t even have the ‘discretion’ to reverse him. That’s how the game is played That’s how our country is run. Sad but true, although the left hasn’t yet won that particular fight.

    When a Democrat is in the White House, states aren’t even allowed to enforce immigration law. But when a Republican is in the White House, states can create their own immigration laws. Under Obama, a state wasn’t allowed to go to the bathroom without asking permission. But under Trump, Jerry Brown can go around saying that California is an independent republic and sign treaties with other countries.

    The Constitution has something to say about that.

    Whether it’s Federal or State, Executive, Legislative or Judiciary, the left moves power around to run the country. If it controls an institution, then that institution is suddenly the supreme power in the land. This is what I call a moving dictatorship.

    Donald Trump has caused the Shadow Government to come out of hiding: Professional government is a guild. Like medieval guilds. You can’t serve in if you’re not a member. If you haven’t been indoctrinated into its arcane rituals. If you aren’t in the club. And Trump isn’t in the club. He brought in a bunch of people who aren’t in the club with him.

    Now we’re seeing what the pros do when amateurs try to walk in on them. They spy on them, they investigate them and they send them to jail. They use the tools of power to bring them down.

    That’s not a free country.

    It’s not a free country when FBI agents who support Hillary take out an ‘insurance policy’ against Trump winning the election. It’s not a free country when Obama officials engage in massive unmasking of the opposition. It’s not a free country when the media responds to the other guy winning by trying to ban the conservative media that supported him from social media. It’s not a free country when all of the above collude together to overturn an election because the guy who wasn’t supposed to win did.

    Have no doubt, we’re in a civil war between conservative volunteer government and a leftist Democrat professional government.​
     
  2. Bear

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    So...if the author's premise is correct then we'll eventually, and we may have reached that point, develop into two "countries" on the same Real estate.
     
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    I don't think it's two countries so much as two philosophies on how one country should be run, which has happened to many countries around the world with sometimes three or four ways of government being suggested or campaigned for.
    To me it seems like the Democrats want a Communist type of government to run this country and the Republicans want a free Republic like we supposedly have. Some of the main evidence of this is the number of Communist groups that back the Democrats, secretly or openly, today. You read about some of the things in API's post being done or thought about and it's basically the same things done a by a Communist government,
     
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    @10GAGENUT that's sorta what I meant when I said "countries". You said it better.

    Don't expect a lot of deep thought from me the next couple of months.

    @API Didn't Obama form some kind of political group to oppose Trump?
     
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    I hear ya, I don't think I've had any really deep thought since the 1980's :l
     
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    Anything to sell advertising. The media makes money on a divisive story so that's what they feed the citizens.

    This country was started by people who felt like they had no representation in their country. I think every country is the same.

    Hopefully we can continue to count on our constitution to prevail.
     
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    To answer the "why" question, here's one take....

    It All Comes Out in the Greenroom
    If you think liberal talking heads are obsessed with Trump, you should hear what they say in private.

    By John Brabender
    May 30, 2018 5:47 p.m. ET

    As a Republican media consultant, I’m routinely invited to represent the right-leaning view on left-leaning news outlets, including CNN, MSNBC and NPR. Usually I’m invited to appear alongside two liberal panelists, a liberal show host, and a viewing audience rooting for my competitors. I’m not expected to take a dive, but everything is arranged to make it hard for me to win the argument.

    Truth be told, I enjoy the challenge. The real reward, however, is the time spent beforehand in the greenroom. Hours waiting to go on air have given me a unique opportunity to meet a bunch of liberal journalists, activists, progressive politicians and Hollywood celebrities. They have all been friendly.

    What have I learned from observing the other side of the political universe up close? Liberals are united in the belief that the election of Donald Trump constituted a cataclysmic anomaly in the political cosmos. They believe in their hearts that this cataclysm was instigated by an outside agent using cyber chicanery. Equally clear is their newfound collective purpose in life—to rectify this horrific reality any way they can.

    I’ve listened in on numerous conversations about how voter manipulation is the only plausible explanation for Mr. Trump’s victory. One segment producer explained to me that despite the more than $1 billion in total marketing dollars spent on the presidential race—and almost two years of daily news coverage of the campaigns—it was the approximately $200,000 that might or might not have been spent by the Russians on social media that tipped the race in Mr. Trump’s favor. If so, those were the most effective ads in political history, despite the spelling mistakes.

    The conversations I’ve heard regarding the president’s mental state have been even more bizarre. I’ve heard it all—he is on medication that causes erratic behavior, he has a mental illness, he has been brainwashed or blackmailed by the Russians.

    Mind you, these aren’t presented as far-fetched theories. They are treated like realistic explanations for every tweet, speech and political move the president makes.

    I’ve also noticed a remarkable shift in the context of questions asked by talk-show hosts in the Trump era. Questions today are often loaded in an editorial manner. Assumptions and conjecture are spoken like accepted truths. During a recent appearance I was told in advance to expect discussion of the “fact” that Republican politicians who have committed crimes no longer need to worry about being chased from office. On another show the host asked, “Is President Trump guilty or crazy?”

    The smartest, most connected, and most quoted person in all of Washington this year is somebody called “Unnamed Source.” This fellow’s unmatched knowledge has regularly led CNN to deploy the “Breaking News” chyron, once reserved for truly developing stories like terrorist attacks and outbreaks of pandemic disease. What will the network do if it ever turns up a real smoking gun—say, a videotape in which President Trump is caught secretly confiding to the Russian president that he will have more flexibility to negotiate after he’s re-elected?

    It isn’t only the hosts and the guests. Even the people who book these shows are often eager to promote an anti-Trump narrative. It was considered a major coup when CBS scored a “60 Minutes” exclusive interview with porn star Stormy Daniels. Not only did the interview produce no new information, but “60 Minutes,” like most news organizations, somehow forgot to mention that Ms. Daniels was recruited in 2009, apparently by national Democrats, to run as a Republican for U.S. Senate in Louisiana.

    Bookers are especially on the lookout for Republican strategists willing to bash President Trump. Doing so not only gets you invited back, it can lead to becoming a paid contributor. You could even get your own show.

    The most serious and unfair consequence of all this is that President Trump’s successes have gone underreported. Historic unemployment numbers, the destruction of Islamic State in Syria and Iraq, and a potential breakthrough regarding nuclear negotiations with North Korea have all been pre-empted in favor of coverage of more important events—like James Comey’s vaudevillian book tour. Welcome to the new normal.

    Mr. Brabender is a partner at BrabenderCox.
     
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    Great read and follow on. I might pose that an additional tact is to minimize/marginalize conservative/constitutionalist concerns over this and the inherent risks it poses to our constitutional existence. Leftists KNOW it’s already a civil war, they just want to make sure nobody else does. They can’t win if anyone fights back in any numbers, and they know it.
     
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    (excellent post but this is the scary part)

    How is Trump going to make sure the Senate and House votes are valid? The people described by the author are reactionary without reason. I can tell you they are not a small percentage of the voting block but LBJ's "kids and grandkids".

    This statement has been credited to several authors both French...English and American of the Revolution era.

    A democracy can last only as long until the voters realize they can vote themselves largesse from the public purse.

    LBJ Great Society programs taught them they could.
     
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    It’s what no term limits got us.

     

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