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Concern about 08 hatch...

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  1. portahunter

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  2. Socal Waterfowler

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    Warm up coming later this week. Full sunshine for 3 days, but that can change at a moments notice.
     
  3. h2ofwlr

    h2ofwlr Elite Refuge Member

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    Easy reference map of Nunavut, Canada http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl...n&sa=X&oi=image_result&resnum=2&ct=image&cd=1


    FYI, Iqaluit, Canada is Geater Snows (Atlantic flyway), and they are avaerage temps forcasted too, high of 40s which is good weather considering how for N they are. http://www.theweathernetwork.com/weather/CANU0014

    Churchill, MB Has warmed up nicely, 60s and even 70s forcasted next week. And sunny weather after this weekend. http://www.accuweather.com/canada-f...traveler=0&postalcode=R0B 0E0&metric=1&set=99


    But cool in northern parts of Hudson Bay... 40 if that.
    Rankin Inlet, NU a bit cool http://www.theweathernetwork.com/weather/CANU0021

    Coral Harbour, NU a bit cool http://www.theweathernetwork.com/weather/CANU0009

    Cape Dorset, NU cool there too http://www.theweathernetwork.com/weather/CANU0006

    Gjoa Haven, Nunavut Nice weather up there, warm in 50s to 70s, sunny for next week. http://www.accuweather.com/canada-f...traveler=0&postalcode=X0B 1J0&metric=1&set=99

    Resolute, Nunavuthas warmed up too and should remain warm. http://www.accuweather.com/canada-f...traveler=0&postalcode=X0A 0V0&metric=1&set=99

    Cambridge Bay A bit cold and snowy next few days, but warming up next week. http://www.accuweather.com/canada-f...traveler=0&postalcode=X0B 0C0&metric=1&set=99

    Kugluktuk, Nunavut, a bit cool right now, but are to warn up next week http://www.accuweather.com/canada-f...traveler=0&postalcode=X0B 0E0&metric=1&set=99

    Taloyoak, NU, (600 miles N of Churchill in the high artic) a bit cool yet bet warmeing up next week. http://www.accuweather.com/canada-f...traveler=0&postalcode=X0B 1B0&metric=1&set=99

    Bay Chimo, NU (can't even find it on google maps-it may be a outpost in the very high artic???) pretty cool, 30's & 40s http://www.accuweather.com/canada-f...traveler=0&postalcode=X0B 2A0&metric=1&set=99

    Tuktoyaktuk, Northwest Territories Has really warmed up they are talking 70 next week! http://www.accuweather.com/canada-f...traveler=0&postalcode=X0E 1C0&metric=1&set=99

    Kaktovik, Alaska a bit cool, but warming up http://www.accuweather.com/forecast...er&traveler=1&zipChg=1&zipcode=99747&metric=0

    Barrow, AK 50s for highs and sunny http://www.accuweather.com/forecast-15day.asp?partner=accuweather&traveler=1&zipcode=99723&metric=0


    NW part of Hudsons Bay has been average to cooler than average the last 2 weeks. Other parts NW and N of there are about average to below average temps. Over all the high Artic N & NW of Hudson Bay may experience a delay in nesting due to cooler and cloudy/rain/snow weather up through next week.

    If I remember correctly, June 15 was drop dead deadline for them to be nesting by, otherwise the young will not be able to be strong enough to make the journey out of the Artic come Fall.

    I'd say a still a decent chance for about an average hatch based upon the weather the last few weeks and the forcasts, some areas will be below average hatch. Very doubtful a bumper hatch like 2 & 3 years ago due to no early spring this year. Scale of 1 to 10, I'd say a 4 at this point.

    We'll know for sure in 6 weeks when they release the reports.
     
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    I got a good question for the experts. Do any Snows nest above the Parry Channel? Basically Resolute is on the north side of the channel, it is the island between the words "Parry" and "Channel" on he map http://images.google.com/imgres?img...es?q=nunavut&start=20&ndsp=20&um=1&hl=en&sa=N

    I did not know until I saw this map the Nunavut goes literally to the North pole. BTW, the further most northern community is Alert on the north side of Ellesmere Island.

    I wonder if any of our CWS friends know about if the Snow are above the Parry Channel?
     
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    thanks for the weather update.
    as for the hatch, wouldn't that depend on how early the first real cold front pushes through this fall?
     
  6. Canuk

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    The issue with controling goose populations is their longevity. So, 5 years of had hatch will not actually affect the current population much either way (wont decrease it and it wont grow fast either). It's similar in a way to 'egging'... They both help but they are not the best way to 'reduce' MCP snows. In the absence of hunting these geese will live ..20? years. They will just keep trying year after year until the weather changes and then make hay.

    Hunting, with a bad hatch, forces us to shoot a few more adults which not only takes them off the nest for the next several years (cuz they are dead), but it puts a -1 in the population column.

    Unfortunately... many hunters will focus on other things without a good hatch as fooling adults is way harder (obviously no one here). We need hunting pressure more than ever when there is a bad hatch.

    "kick them when they are down.. sorta."

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    I'll try to get some current info from the breeding grounds, last I heard it wasn't good... Blizzard and no geese as of early last week.
     
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    You are right... as well as other that commented. The snow doesn't melt (very much) under cloud cover. The day the sun comes out nest locations appear everywhere and so do the geese. Also, light geese are primarity 'capital' nesters... meaning they don't require any food on the nesting grounds... they just need a place to put their eggs, NOW. The food isn't needed until July when gozlings need to eat. By then there is often lots! (LaPerouseBay not withstanding... but that's not many geese to consider)

    Because all their food reserves are acquired on the Canadian prairies (as well as what they need to make eggs), when they arrive they are making eggs already. If the ground is covered in snow, those eggs fall out and are wasted. Soon after, if no nest sites are revealed (still covered in snow) geese have the ability to shut off their egg production and say "screw it" I'll try next year.

    So, a late spring (2004, 2007, 2008?) will:

    -greatly reduce clutch sizes, and greatly reduce the 'nesting' population (aka "breeding propensity").

    although some young will feel the crunch come August and might freeze up, geese are pretty good at knowing when to bail and save their energy for themselves.

    so, in a late year expect 99.9% of the adults that went north to come back no worse for wear, but with few young with them.
     
  8. Canuk

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    This update is for the central arctic only (Queen Maud Gulf).

    BAD. birds are now arriving but it is so late there will a low nesting effort at best and low clutch sizes.

    Get used to killing Adult light geese if you are hunting in SK or AB.
     
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    Thanks for the update Canuk
     
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    Thanks for the update. Canuk do you know what the conditions are like now that they are there? Thanks

    We'll still be after them again this year.
     

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