Delta Tunnel Project

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  1. Phytoplankton

    Phytoplankton Elite Refuge Member

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    The Indian tribes are allotted a percentage of fish based on the predicted runs, they get the first slice of the pie, then the sport guys, then the commies. Most of the tribes are on the Klamath or Trinity river watersheds. There are certainly abuses, I lived in Humboldt County and fished many of the rivers in the late 70's and early 80's, abuses were rampant then. They are much more regulated , i.e., "watched" now than they were then.
     
  2. CA Birdman

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    Sacbob

    The current proposal is $10 - $15 billion likely $30 billion way projects mushroom to build these tunnels and you think there is not going to be tremendous pressure to divert water regardless of the actual flows in the system. I know there are limits currently in place that restrict pumping but there is not a $30 billion price tag to be paid.
     
  3. sacbob

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    I don't have an opinion on the economics of the current proposals. I'm too far away from the game to know how it shakes out for water users. But, generally the water users pay the costs of these facilities and willingness to pay is a fundamental test in determining economic justification.
     
  4. Hunter/Gather

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    The consortium of the six large water agencies are supposed to pay for the plumbing (pumps, screens, tunnels, highway, power and other infrastructure costs). The Administration and Legislature will have to agree to float another bond to get the public to fund the billion(s) in mitigations. Sounds like privatization of the water delivery, and an externalization of the true costs, scenario to me.

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  5. sacbob

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    Interesting.
     
  6. Phytoplankton

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    The people holding the water rights, who are the ones backing the water agencies, will more than make their money back selling the water. The state government gets to pay out the interest on the bonds and all the mitigation costs, and gets little or nothing in return. Hell-a-deal for someone, but not me!
     
  7. Hunter/Gather

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    Not that it is going to change the mind of those grasping for someone else to blame. Good and bad water years and favorable/unfavorable ocean conditions have always contributed to the ups and downs of salmon populations. The longer term trend line is more telling. :(

    More specifically, some of these things might be involved in having some very productive years:

    Screening diversions, some of them really big ones like Glenn Colusa, saved a lot of fish that used to go bye-bye down the canals. The cold water curtain on Shasta (and Whiskeytown) and capping Iron Mountain Mine have also helped. Some of the tweaking of flows for salmon have reduced some losses, but most of the improvements are not flow related, and the public has paid for most of them.

    For the fall-run. Hatcheries are what is propping up this economically valuable run. Since the 70's, the increase in hatchery releases as larger sub-yearlings rather than small fry helped offset the losses. The trucking program started in the 80's to get those releases past the Delta was huge. Add the net-pens for acclimation that came along later, and you get much better returns. A few years ago even these weren't enough and even the fall-run collapsed, and did so long before they ever encountered any fishing.

    Winter-run. It was stabilized by a combination of the captive broodstock program that Livingston Stone National Fish Hatchery was built to implement, seasonal lifting of the gates at Red Bluff, the cold water curtain at Shasta and pumping restrictions. They would have probably gone extinct otherwise. They are still tottering though. The ocean fishery from Mendocino Co. south is constrained by winter-run considerations this year.

    Spring-run. The mainstem Sac fish are still at very low numbers, and they are extinct from the rivers below the Feather. Lifting the gates at Red Bluff helps, but this run is still a remnant of what it was. The good news is mostly big improvement is Butte Creek, with Mill and Deer Creeks doing okay. CWA and DU both worked several years to raise the funds and manage the construction of all the improvements in Butte, and it has been a huge success.

    To put it simply, there aren't gillnet fisheries taking the Sac's salmon. The Klamath/Trinity is the only river with a tribal fishery. The Klamath had a record run, over 300,000 returned last year. It is predicted to have a very good run this fall. And it did not collapse when the Sacramento did, nor did the Eel, Smith or other coastal systems. Kind of points to something else, doesn't it? :l

    Mitch
     
  8. J.Bennett

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    All commercially caught salmon in California are troll caught. That is the only legal method for the commercial take of salmon here (and has been since 1957). Foreign vessels are not allowed to fish within the 200 mile Exclusive Economic Zone (unless fishing for highly migratory species like tuna, and then only with a special permits issued by both the Secretary of State and the Secretary of Commerce). As someone else mentioned before, the tribal fisheries are allowed a quota based on projected returns and there is no tribal fishery on the Sacramento River.
     
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    Good post Mitch.

    If there was a way to tax oxygen, it'll happen.
     

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