Federal Red Box or Kent Silver Steel

Discussion in 'Shooting - Reloading Forum' started by Decoyin Drake, Mar 7, 2018.

  1. Drakehammer

    Drakehammer Senior Refuge Member

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    I love their blue box lead #5s for pheasant. Cheap and effective, but they are dirty and smell like hot garbage.
     
  2. theduckguru

    theduckguru Elite Refuge Member

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    Hunters cannot tell the difference in 30 FPS between loads. If you happy with Red box, save your $20 and keep gunning.
     
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  3. Ravenanme

    Ravenanme Elite Refuge Member

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    Well it's something to talk about , with all these improvements from Federal and I agree with Joe , back in the days of Lead , it was
    a instinctive move to reach for the box with the Drake mallard on it in #4's , they worked great until I started reloading my own . Even
    tho I was convinced 4756 was much better to keep the blow-by out of my eyes I never thought twice about the Buffer I was loading in
    with the Lubaloys ! hahaa.......it has been a journing of experience , some good and some not so good !
     
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  4. Dave in AZ

    Dave in AZ Senior Refuge Member

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    No, I am just reporting what Federal says about the speeds for both their UltraShok red box, AND their "new" SpeedShok blue box stuff... Just helping the OP out with one of his two choices (ultrashok, 5/4oz 1450 fps). Rogers only has 2 and 4 in stock, out of 1, 3, and BB. The new blue box comes in BBB and T also.

    You're right of course in that what they claim for speeds may not be true, however since it's all the same manufacturer, if they're claiming the same speed between a new offering and the redbox, well... short of having an actual list of chrono results for every shell out there, we pretty much all rely on manufacturer claims when purchasing, and I'd expect them to apply the same "marketing brush" to both red and blue box loads. While I don't believe a word EMI prints, most of the shell dissection and chrono I've read has reported that Federal basically delivers on their numbers, has that not been your impression?

    In any case, the only place I'm aware you can purchase the UltraShok is from Rogers, I thought it was a specialty deal with them now. They don't even list it on their own Federal website. I'm just saying that this new blue box is claimed to be as fast, and in the same payloads, as UltraShok, and is available everywhere for good prices, so it is certainly worth someone buying a box of the appropriate load and sending it downrange through their own chrono and chokes to make a decision.


    Here's the new Federal speedshok and ultrashok loads, along with the "old speedshok" loads that are actually no longer listed on Federal's site--the old slower loads have been dropped it appears. You can tell the difference in the store as the new stuff has a mallard on the FRONT of the box. The dropped loads are WF 140, 146, and 147.

    PW134 BB,2,3 12 3.50 Federal zinc plated pellets 1 1/2 656.0 Steel 1,500 Ultra Shok
    WF134 T, bbb,bb,1,2 12 3.50 Federal 1 1/2 656.0 Steel 1,500 Speed Shok
    WF133 T, BBB,BB,1,2,3,4 12 3.50 Federal 1 3/8 601.0 Steel 1550 Speed Shok
    PW142 BB-4 12 3.00 Federal zinc plated pellets 1 1/4 546.0 Steel 1,450 Ultra Shok
    WF142 T, BBB, BB,1,2,3,4 12 3.00 Federal ? 1 1/4 546.0 Steel 1,450 Speed Shok
    WF140 BBB, BB,1,2,3,4 12 3.00 Federal ? 1 1/4 546.0 Steel 1,400 Speed Shok
    WF145 BB,2,3,4,6 12 2.75 Federal 1 1/8 492.2 Steel 1500 Speed Shok
    WF147 BB,2,3,4,6 12 2.75 Federal 1 1/8 492.2 Steel 1,375 Speed Shok
    WF143 T, BBB,BB,1,2,3,4,6 12 3.00 Federal 1 1/8 492.0 Steel 1550 Speed Shok
    PW143 BB-4 12 3.00 Federal zinc plated pellets 1 1/8 492.0 Steel 1,550 Ultra Shok
    WF146 6,7 12 2.75 Federal 1 437.5 Steel 1375 Speed Shok
     
  5. NW BIRDHUNTER

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    I doubt Federal would advertise their new loads faster if it wasn't so. They have already been loading some of their steel loads @1550 FPS for years. I believe they are just bringing some of the old loads, up to speed!
     
  6. 10GAGENUT

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    Time will tell, wait to get some field reports on them.
     
  7. Ravenanme

    Ravenanme Elite Refuge Member

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    I hope Federal doesn't change their 1 1/2 BB load at 1450 fps in 10 ga , they are a stand by load , when I don't have any reloads ready
     
  8. Decoyin Drake

    Decoyin Drake Senior Refuge Member

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    Yep that 10 ga load is very similar to my reload with 4756 I perfer BBB in that load for big geese and a wad wizzard supreme. I dont shoot it much any more but its in the safe ready to roll.
     
  9. California Flyway

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    A few years ago I tried some of the Kent Silver Steel in 13/8 #2. It patterned fine and killed well but the recoil was enough more that the standard Kent 11/8 oz Fast Steel that I noticed it. The Kent 11/8 Fast Steel is right at the recoil level I am comfortable with.
     
  10. Mack270

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    Are you talking about the 1 1/4 oz. load in the Silversteel? I don't notice much difference between the 1 1/8 oz load in Fasteel and the 1 1/4 oz. Silversteel load recoil wise. Granted it's subjective.

    Back to the original question.
    I can't speak as to the difference in performance between the Silversteel and Federal red box. I've been using the 3" 1 1/4 oz. #3's in Silversteel for the past two seasons on mostly big water hunts. Its worked well on divers and big ducks. With an improved modified comp'n'choke in my 870 I get about a 74 percent pattern at 40 yards. I've gotten 80 percent plus patterns with the same shell in #2's with the same gun and choke.

    I've wavered over the same question of which though because of the much lower prices of the Red box federal and Joe Hunter's excellent pattern results with it.
     

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