Fishing lead ban legislation

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  1. API

    API PAF-CA Flyway Moderator Flyway Manager

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    Think of all those torn plastic skirts laying of the bottom just waiting to be scarfed up by some poor unsuspecting fishy. :h
     
  2. Phytoplankton

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    Unfortunately it's not the fish, it's birds that are being poisoned. Loons, dippers, wading and diving birds pick up lead while feeding, mistaking the lead for grit (same problem as with lead shot). Then there's secondary poisoning of raptors that eat the poisoned birds. Ducks that nest near streams, such as goldeneye, mergansers, Harlequin ducks, etc. are particularly susceptible to lead weight ingestion. I'm sure the problem in deep lakes is much less severe, but remember that goldeneye can dive over 150 feet deep. There are already several states that ban/restrict the use of small lead weights for fishing, and there are non toxic alternatives that are nearly equivalent in price to lead (tin, steel, tungsten alloys), they also make jig heads and most other lures combinations in non-toxic alternatives. It's pretty cheap, it saves wildlife, I don't have a problem with it, wildlife is already under attack from enough man-made hazards. I do, however, think it's more reasonable to just ban lead split shot/egg type sinkers.
     
  3. mark seaters

    mark seaters Elite Refuge Member

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    Sorry Jim...I'm not with ya on this one...A Loon is going to dive down and pick up a 1/8 oz sinkers on the bottom and then get lead poisoning...I'm just not buying into that..it's really a reach..I would love to see the impact reports and tests on this one...

    A Loon would have more of a chance at running into a power wire
     
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  4. Scott McMorrow

    Scott McMorrow Senior Refuge Member

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    Yep! Fishing just got way more expensive. I don't even know where to get 1oz tungsten jigs.
     
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    Mark, every once in a while that Wildlife Mgmt. degree comes in handy. Most of these studies are from back East, but they certainly could be applied to the West. I have personally have seen goldeneye exhibiting signs of lead poisoning on the Truckee river and in Donner Lake. There have been lot's of studies, take your pick:

    https://phys.org/news/2017-10-fishing-tackle-threatening-loon-populations.html

    https://wdfw.wa.gov/publications/00037/wdfw00037.pdf

    http://www.uvm.edu/~vlrs/doc/lead_sinkers.htm

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24193869

    http://www.dec.ny.gov/outdoor/7908.html
     
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    I've said it before..... lead is a known neuro-toxin. As conservationists and lovers of the outdoors, sportsmen should be the first in line to to get lead out of the environment. The same should be said for mercury and selenium.

    We have alternatives, we don't need that stuff in fish, birds or in our own bodies.

    So what if it costs a few extra bucks.
     
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    I could see split shot, as it is small. Banning lead will make it damn near impossible to get fishing gear. Most hooks and tackle contain at least a little lead. This law would be damn near impossible to enforce at that level. Mercury is way more of an issue in our environment, but we aren't draining our man made lakes to get rid of the problem. Oh wait, some think that's a good idea too.
     
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