For those of you considering Kerry...

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  1. lad52

    lad52 Elite Refuge Member

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    Jeff Jacoby is a columnist for the Boston Globe

    John Kerry's Shifting Stands

    In the 2004 presidential field, there is a candidate for nearly every point of view.

    His name is John Kerry.

    Equivocating politicians are sometimes accused of trying to be "all things to all people," but few have taken the practice of expedience and shifty opportunism to Kerry's level. Massachusetts residents have known this about their junior senator for a long time. Now the rest of the country is going to find out.

    Here's how it works: Say you're in favor of capital punishment for terrorists. Well, so is Kerry. "I am for the death penalty for terrorists because terrorists have declared war on your country," he said in December 2002. "I support killing people who declare war on our country."

    But if you're opposed to capital punishment even for terrorists, that's OK — Kerry is too! Between 1989 and 1993, he voted at least three times to exempt terrorists from the death penalty. In a debate with former Governor William Weld, his opponent in the 1996 Senate race, Kerry scorned the idea of executing terrorists. Anti-death penalty nations would refuse to extradite them to the United States, he said. "Your policy," he told Weld, "would amount to a terrorist protection policy. Mine would put them in jail."

    What does Kerry really think? Who knows? He seems to have conveniently switched his stance after Sept. 11, 2001, but he insists that politics had nothing to do with his reversal. Either way, one thing is clear: His willingness to swing both ways fits a longstanding pattern of coming down firmly on both sides of controversial issues.

    Take the Patriot Act. Kerry condemns it fiercely as the stuff of a "knock-in-the-night" police state. He vows "to end the era of John Ashcroft" by "replacing the Patriot Act with a new law that protects our people and our liberties at the same time."

    So does that mean he voted against it in 2001? Au contraire! Kerry voted for the law — parts of which he originally wrote. On the Senate floor before the vote, he singled out its money-laundering and financial-transfer sections for particular praise, but declared that he was "pleased at the compromise we have reached on the anti-terrorism legislation as a whole."

    Bottom line, then: Is Kerry for or against the Patriot Act? Absolutely.

    The hottest issue in Kerry's home state at the moment is same-sex marriage. Most Massachusetts citizens only take one position on this scorchingly controversial topic, but Kerry doesn't like to limit himself that way.

    So on the one hand, he voted against the federal Defense of Marriage Act, calling the law — which Congress passed and President Clinton signed — "fundamentally ugly" and "legislative gay-bashing." On the other hand, he says he's against same-sex marriage and refused to condemn a DOMA-like amendment to the Massachusetts constitution. (At one point last week, in fact, he left open the possibility of endorsing it.) On the other other hand, he supports civil unions — same-sex marriage in all but name. And on yet another other hand, he claims to "have the same position Vice President Dick Cheney has." (Cheney's view is that "different states are likely to come to different conclusions, and that's appropriate.")

    Where Kerry will ultimately come down on this issue is anybody's guess. But it's safe to say that wherever you come down, he'll be able to claim he was there all along.

    Then there's the war. Many observers have remarked on Kerry's dual stand on the military campaign that liberated Iraq — he voted for it, but vehemently condemns it. In 1991, by contrast, he did the opposite: he voted against using force to roll back Iraq's invasion of Kuwait, yet he claims it was an operation he firmly supported. "I believed we should kick Saddam Hussein out of Kuwait," Kerry told the Washington Post last month. So why did he vote no? Because "we had a very divided nation" and he wanted the first President Bush "to take a couple more months to build the support of the nation."

    Or so he says says now. What Kerry actually said in 1991 was that there was a "rush to war" that might lead to "another generation of amputees, paraplegics, burn victims." He blasted the elder Bush for being too "unilateral" — hmm, that sounds familiar — and demanded: "Is the liberation of Kuwait so imperative that all those risks are worthwhile at this moment?" Eleven days later he wrote to a constituent that he opposed the war and had wanted to give economic sanctions "more time to work." Nine days after that he wrote to the same constituent and said that he "strongly and unequivocally supported President Bush's response to the crisis."

    So let's review the bidding: Kerry's position is that he voted against a war he was really for and voted for a war he was really against. But the war he was really for he never said he was for at the time. Except when he was writing to voters to say that he was. And that he wasn't.

    Confused? Don't feel bad. Trying to keep up with Kerry's shifting stands can be baffling even to those of us who have followed his career for decades. You'll be hearing a lot more about them before this campaign is over.
     
  2. northfla_hunter

    northfla_hunter Senior Refuge Member

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    excellent summary.
     
  3. Ben

    Ben Elite Refuge Member

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    Hey Lad52,
    Where did your joke go? You know the one i replied to??
     
  4. webfootedquacker

    webfootedquacker Elite Refuge Member

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    Just another Democratic Presidential candidate who sways with the polls. Just like Gore and Lieberman, who knows where they stand. If you don't like what they stand for now, just wait a week, they will probably change.

    How do some of you guys support these candidates that switch their beliefs when they decide to run for Pres?
     
  5. B52-man

    B52-man Elite Refuge Member

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    This is the Duck Hunters forum.

    There are 2 other forums for this stuff.
     
  6. jadkins

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    This is a forum for Duck Hunters to talk about what they feel like. If it was the Duck Hunting forum, then it would strictly be about hunting ducks. However, this is a forum for Duck Hunters to discuss a wide-range of topics, including politics.
     
  7. B52-man

    B52-man Elite Refuge Member

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    WRONG!!!

    Here's what Chester posted in a sticky at the top of this page...

    "A Political Action Forum was introduced, along with
    a Christian Forum, so folks would have a place
    to discuss these topics.

    It has become apparent another forum is needed, so a new
    World News / Current Events Forum has been added.

    Please use these forums and help free-up the Main Forum for
    Hunting related topics and other subjects that you as a person
    want to share."
     
  8. jadkins

    jadkins Elite Refuge Member

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    B-52,

    Yeah, I read that too. Did you read my reply. So, if it isn't about duck hunting it shouldn't be on the Duck Hunters Forum. No discussions of trucks, or babies, or birthdays. We can't wish eachother a Merry Christmas, or I can't tell you about all the hot women I'm going to see at Mardi Gras this year. Nothing but duck hunting right! Well, we better move a lot of stuff off the Duck Hunters forum then. Or is it only politics that should be out. Is it all or none? Where do you draw the line? Where does Chester draw the line?
     
  9. webfootedquacker

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    Ben
    It was pulled because someone who is oversensitive like yourself complained. The world has become way too politically correct.
     
  10. ALMODUX

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    Funny, ain't it? I mean we've got a classifieds forum, but I still see boats for sale on the Duck Hunter's Forum. Same could be said for Boat and Blind Questions, Decoy Questions, etc. It's pretty much up to where the thread STARTER wants to post his/her thread. Sure they may get a more specific audience by going to a specific forum, but maybe they just want it 'out' there. I say it's up to them. Just my .02. If you don't like a 'specific' thread being out here, ignore it. It's called self control.;)
     

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