Guides Licensing

Discussion in 'Kansas Flyway Forum' started by waterfowlhunter27, Jan 3, 2018.

  1. waterfowlhunter27

    waterfowlhunter27 Refuge Member

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    Everyone on here hates guides, but yet nobody has spoke to their state legislator about mandating guides licensing. If we made everyone pay 5k to guide in kansas that would weed out a lot of fly by night companies and all the out of state outfits that run in kansas. If they got caught guiding without a license make it a hefty fine like 10k or loss of hunting license for 2-5 years.

    I was told by one of the commisioner that the legislation made them stop mandating guides licenses back in the day to bring more business to the state. Which that worked, but now the state is over run by guides. Its getting out of control.

    THOUGHTS???
     
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  2. stevena198301

    stevena198301 Elite Refuge Member Supporting Member

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    Thoughts from an OOSer who doesn't pay for guides (this opinion and a few bucks will get you a cup of coffee :dv ):

    Guides will still guide. Cost for a guide will go up way more than the additional "$5K" a year, if you were to break it down. OOSers who pay for guides will continue to pay for guides. They have more money than they have sense. It won't fix your "problem" with guides. You're problem isn't guides... It's idiots with more money than sense. If someone is willing to pay hundreds of dollars a day to shoot up to 6 ducks, they'll be willing to pay a few hundred more a day to shoot 6 ducks. You'd have to make the guide license cost so much that guides can afford it, for it to ever be worth it (meaning so expensive they couldn't recoup the money in a season). $5000 wouldn't be a fart in the wind. Then, on top of that, you'd have the "guides" that don't "charge", but require you pay them for the 300 gallons of gas it took for them to fill their truck tank on their way to pick you up, in cash.
     
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  3. gadwall52

    gadwall52 Elite Refuge Member

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    Yeah let raise the fees on other professional licences too. 100,000.00 a year for eleectricans and others since they work all year. Should be a real money maker for the state.
     
  4. waterfowlhunter27

    waterfowlhunter27 Refuge Member

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    Tons of states requiring guides licensing. It gives them some control. Background check on the owner. Make the guides be Cpr certified. There's a ton of fly by night guides that will not be able to afford 5k per year.
     
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  5. stevena198301

    stevena198301 Elite Refuge Member Supporting Member

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    It sounds like you are pro "Death by regulation". It isn't going to make your marsh any less crowded. If you're argument is that it will help fill the state coffers, yes, you may have a valid point. If it's that charging guides will decrease the amount of goobers in the marshes, just look at AR. It did zero, and possibly hurt, as all the guys who used guides before went to blind freelancing. Most guides on public land are respectful enough. Unintentional idiots running amok who have hunted somewhere all of two times and think they know best are way worse.

    FWIW, I'm not advocating for guides. I am not pro-guides. I'm just shooting holes in your theory that charging a business owner a small amount of money (commercially) will curb your problems. The cost will trickle down to the customer, and the customer who is wealthy enough, dumb enough, or both to pay the extra, will still do it. It's a win-win, money-wise for everyone but the end hunter. It's a lose-lose for numbers of hunters at your local marsh.
     
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  6. KSRedleg

    KSRedleg Elite Refuge Member

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    Drop it back to 2 Canadas and 3 ducks with only a 2 mallard limit and you'll see a lot of the pressure and guides start to go away.
     
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    Tuleman Elite Refuge Member

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    Yes it/they would.
    Only problem is this: guides will only go away when their clients go away. Dropping the limits, which I'm for, would reduce the number of guided OOS hunters and the Kansas Department of Wildlife Parks AND TOURISM would fight that with every means at their disposal. The tourism guys want every OOS hunter they can get.

    We already have a law forbidding guiding on state-controlled (public) land. We just need strong enforcement of that law.
     
  8. Kansasoutdoorsman

    Kansasoutdoorsman Senior Refuge Member

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    Waterfowl guides and not near the problem as deer guides are right now. Yes there are some Knuckle heads the guide for birds but the big joke is deer in KS. I do think the KS should have all guides register for $500 a year, be CPR certified and carry the proper insurance for guiding. Fines should be stiff even though most judges would not make them pay but the legal fees would be enough to make most unethical guides think about it.
     
  9. thatguy2

    thatguy2 Senior Refuge Member

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    It’s going to get worse with the deer guides. There is a bill to bring back landowner transferable tags. Got killed last session but it’s back. If that happens Katy bar the door. I know of a fist fight in a bar between locals and a MO guide service that showed up in November and has been leasing everything they can.
     
  10. Ramblingman

    Ramblingman Senior Refuge Member

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    JUST SAY NO TO GUIDES!
     

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