Here we go again, sad deal.

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  1. TheDuckSlayer

    TheDuckSlayer Elite Refuge Member

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    So pro-2A folks won’t support it due to possible 2A infringement. There is a 4th option that I forgot to include- and that is to beef up school security and possible arming of teachers. The problem with that is that it doesn’t always work as we saw in Parkland, and it’s an impossible sell to anyone other than hardcore gun folks.

    I don’t really see a good option, to be honest.
     
  2. tcc

    tcc Elite Refuge Member

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    Not one that will appease everyone for sure. Or work while doing so.
     
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  3. The Other David

    The Other David Elite Refuge Member

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    They are a waste of time and money.
     
  4. Allan

    Allan Elite Refuge Member

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    Suggestions?
     
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    Thanks for your valuable contributions, good Christian.
     
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    Lip Shooter Elite Refuge Member

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    After all my LEO post kept getting moved I started to report prayer threads with “please move to religious forum”. We one thing happened and the removal was not the religious threads. Ha ha ha
     
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    Develop a process for identifying the proximate characteristics of mass killers and then work on a policy of early identification and interdiction.

    The people that commit such atrocities surely have a commonality amongst themselves that could be clinically diagnosed and isolated. Eliminate the individual pulling the trigger and you control the problem.
     
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    markd Elite Refuge Member

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    Same back you buddy, still can't think of any solutions?
     
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    This isn't minority report, and it can't be, you've got to commit a crime before being convicted of a crime and that's a hard stop. Presumption of innocence is well worth going to war over. Talking about opening the loony bins back up, well you aren't generally catching serial killers and mass murderers, they're a different cut, they may end up in there after, generally not before. And people with their traits don't always commit crime.

    1% of the population, 75,300,000 people are what we're talking about if we're talking strictly psychopath and we're probably not. Over 75 million people.

    Go look up traits of a psychopath, odds are you share some, you know people with them, which becomes a problem when you see things like, "Hitler shared some traits of a psychopath," well, you'd expect so, but the problem is, some, many, to a degree, share some traits to a psychopath, especially given the varying traits one might lump in to that.

    Psychology today, "they're extremely charming... they're really arrogant... they take big risks... they're master manipulators." You'd probably say that about 98% of the heads of fortune 500 companies.

    Are you charming, uh oh, you share a trait of a psychopath, better lock you up just in case, and better believe if you hit your wife, headlines will read, "psychopathic man beats wife." Now when you go to get a job the hiring official googles your name, sees psychopathic and you're thrown in the trash, you won't ever get beyond that. Doesn't matter if you are a psychopath or if that was complete BS. You won't make it to the interviews to be able to explain.

    So there becomes another problem of when we see someone do something like mass murder, we'll naturally want to distance ourselves from them, and we'll want to throw them into the psychopath bin, so you'll start looking for confirmation bias and it's easy enough to find. But if you actually want to understand a problem, you can't do that, the person may actually not be a psychopath, it may have been impulse brought on by horrid circumstances which can include simple mental stress in some.

    It isn't so easy, and to add to that, our tendency to want to label and distance ourselves blinds us, then to add to that, there's money to be made selling exceptionalism, so a title, "worst psychopath in history?" Is far more likely to grab you than, "abused as a child, lashes out at society he believed abandoned him." The reality gets muddled badly.

    As far as solutions, if you believe in individuals, there's only ever the same solution, education and training. The knowledge to remedy the situation by yourself, regardless the situation. I get it, quadriplegic can't install a septic system, ok, there will be exceptions to the rule.

    But if someone has a problem and you want THEM to be able to take care of that problem, what do you do, you teach, educate, give them the knowledge, and train them to use it.

    So, gym starting at middle school will include some karate/self-defense. Enter high-school, 9th grade is general gun safety, 10th grade is advanced gun safety, 11th grade is optional whatever (tactical firearm intervention), and 12th grade similar. Bring shooting back into school sports, fclass, 3 gun, trap, skeet, etc...
    For 9th graders and 10th graders, if you can't fathom functional guns around, remove the firing pins or weld them so the guns can't fire for these early classes.

    Also, the gym karate becomes more advanced through high school, unarmed vs. armed combatant and such.

    At worst your child doesn't carry later in life but has the boosted self-confidence from training and understanding how to defend themselves. Now your daughter isn't afraid to negotiate for a raise, or get that math book in her car late at night.

    Allow optioning out of firearm training after general gun safety, and of course, students that can't handle the responsibility, well, can't handle the responsibility, use common sense.
     
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    Problem is that liberals really don't want to solve the problem. They don't really want to solve any problems, they just want to make the at-risk citizens more dependent on the government for everything.
     
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