This is quite possibly the worst thread ever. I must at least say I agree with the 10 yard crew. I shoot rifles far more than shotgun, and haven?t figured out the true limits of a shotgun, but I still think anyone claiming to be proficient at killing geese/ducks out to 70 or 100 yds. Is full of sh**. Have you done it? I believe you have accomplished it a time or two but doing it time and time again??I doubt it. Call ?em in close and shoot ?em in the lips! That is when you know you are a true waterfowl hunter. It?s the art of deception. 40yds or less if your with me, otherwise I'll ask you to find somewhere else to hunt.