Not sure what that means? Just voicing my opinion of the thread. Or is yours the only one that counts? If you don't like what I write or my opinion, don't read it. I think this goose knuckle needs to spend time with his new trainer to learn how to appropriately work a dog. I had a similar thing happen years ago, and the dog was actually trained, I just did not know enough to actually understand it. From the sounds of it that is goose knuckles issue too.