I have a newer (90's era I think) Ithaca 37 pump I recently added to my collection. I had been wanting a 16 for a while, but passed on the 870 because it was 12ga wingmaster retooled to be a 16, not a lighter, slimmer "true built" 16ga. I have used it for upland and plan on doing some waterfowling with it this fall. Until they recently came out with the 28ga, it completed my Model 37 set, don't know if I will ever add the 28, $$! By the way, I am 40, certainly no pup, but the 16 has never been readily available commercially durring my outdoor tenure, but I was raised by too many classic outdoorsman who never missed a chance to expound on the virtues of the 16ga. Never a doubt that I would carry one into the field! I am still on the look-out for a good old A-5 16, the gun of choice of my childhood hunting idols!