Inconvienent truth for Algore

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  1. RW

    RW Elite Refuge Member

    Apr 1, 2003
    infamous state of chicago
  2. Drev

    Drev Elite Refuge Member<br>In Memory<br>12/02/55 - 07/

    Sep 22, 2002
    Middle of the Mitt
    Too bad

    Huntsnot cant follow a link:l
  3. Ron Gilmore

    Ron Gilmore Elite Refuge Member

    Feb 27, 2003
    And then there is this!!!!!!!!!!!

    UK News
    'Global Warming Is Lies' Claims Documentary
    Sunday, 4th March 2007, 11:04


    Accepted theories about man causing global warming are "lies" claims a controversial new TV documentary.

    ?The Great Global Warming Swindle? - backed by eminent scientists - is set to rock the accepted consensus that climate change is being driven by humans.

    The programme, to be screened on Channel 4 on Thursday March 8, will see a series of respected scientists attack the "propaganda" that they claim is killing the world?s poor.

    Even the co-founder of Greenpeace, Patrick Moore, is shown, claiming African countries should be encouraged to burn more CO2.

    Nobody in the documentary defends the greenhouse effect theory, as it claims that climate change is natural, has been occurring for years, and ice falling from glaciers is just the spring break-up and as normal as leaves falling in autumn.

    A source at Channel 4 said: "It is essentially a polemic and we are expecting it to cause trouble, but this is the controversial programming that Channel 4 is renowned for."

    Controversial director Martin Durkin said: "You can see the problems with the science of global warming, but people just don?t believe you ? it?s taken ten years to get this commissioned.

    "I think it will go down in history as the first chapter in a new era of the relationship between scientists and society. Legitimate scientists ? people with qualifications ? are the bad guys.

    "It is a big story that is going to cause controversy.

    "It?s very rare that a film changes history, but I think this is a turning point and in five years the idea that the greenhouse effect is the main reason behind global warming will be seen as total bollocks.

    "Al Gore might have won an Oscar for ?An Inconvenient Truth?, but the film is very misleading and he has got the relationship between CO2 and climate change the wrong way round."

    One major piece of evidence of CO2 causing global warming are ice core samples from Antarctica, which show that for hundreds of years, global warming has been accompanied by higher levels of CO2 in the atmosphere.

    In ?The Great Global Warming Swindle? Al Gore is shown claiming this proves the theory, but palaeontologist Professor Ian Clark claims in the documentary that it actually shows the opposite.

    He has evidence showing that warmer spells in the Earth?s history actually came an average of 800 years before the rise in CO2 levels.

    Prof Clark believes increased levels of CO2 are because the Earth is heating up and not the cause. He says most CO2 in the atmosphere comes from the oceans, which dissolve the gas.

    When the temperature increases, more gas is released into the atmosphere and when global temperatures cool, more CO2 is taken in. Because of the immense size of the oceans, he said they take time to catch up with climate trends, and this ?memory effect? is responsible for the lag.

    Scientists in the programme also raise another discrepancy with the official line, showing that most of the recent global warming occurred before 1940, when global temperatures then fell for four decades.

    It was only in the late 1970s that the current trend of rising temperatures began.

    This, claim the sceptics, is a flaw in the CO2 theory, because the post-war economic boom produced more CO2 and should, according to the consensus, have meant a rise in global temperatures.

    The programme claims there appears to be a consensus across science that CO2 is responsible for global warming, but Professor Paul Reiter is shown to disagree.

    He said the influential United Nations report on Climate change, that claimed humans were responsible, was a sham.

    It claimed to be the opinion of 2,500 leading scientists, but Prof Reiter said it included names of scientists who disagreed with the findings and resigned from the UN?s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, and said the report was finalised by government appointees.

    The CO2 theory is further undermined by claims that billions of pounds is being provided by governments to fund greenhouse effect research, so thousands of scientists know their job depends on the theory continuing to be seen as fact.

    The programme claims efforts to reduce CO2 are killing Africans, who have to burn fires inside their home, causing cancer and lung damage, because their governments are being encouraged to use wind and solar panels that are not capable of supplying the continent with electricity, instead of coal and oil-burning power stations that could.

    Greenpeace co-founder Patrick Moore is shown saying: "Environmentalists have romanticised peasant life, but this is anti-human.

    "They are saying the world?s poorest people should have the world?s most expensive form of form of energy ? really saying they can?t have electricity."

    Gary Calder, a former editor of New Scientist, is featured in the programme, and has just released a book claiming that clouds are the real reason behind climate change.

    ?The Chilling Stars? was written with Danish scientist Henrik Svensmark who published a scientific paper, claiming cosmic rays cause clouds to form, reducing the global temperature. The theory is shown in the programme.

    Mr Calder said: "Henrik Svensmark saw that cloudiness varies according to how many atomic particles are coming in from exploded stars - when there are more cosmic rays, there are more clouds.

    "However, solar winds bat away many of the cosmic rays and the sun is currently in its most active phase, which would be an explanation for global warming.

    "I am a science journalist and in my career I have been told by eminent scientists that black holes do not exist and it is impossible that continents move, but in science the experts are usually wrong.

    "For me this is a cracking science story ? I don?t come from any political position and I?m certainly not funded by the multinationals, although my bank manager would like me to be.

    "I talk to scientists and come up with one story, and Al Gore talks to another set of scientists and comes up with a different story.

    "So knowing which scientists to talk to is part of the skill. Some, who appear to be disinterested, are themselves getting billions of dollars of research money from the government.

    "The few millions of dollars of research money from multinationals can?t compare to government funding, so you find the American scientific establishment is all for man-made global warming.

    "We have the same situation in Britain The government?s chief scientific advisor Sir David King is supposed to be the representative of all that is good in British science, so it is disturbing he and the government are ignoring a raft of evidence against the greenhouse effect being the main driver against climate change."

    The programme shows how the global warming research drive began when Margaret Thatcher gave money to scientists to ?prove? burning coal and oil was harmful, as part of her drive for nuclear power.

    Philip Stott, professor emeritus of biogeography at the School of Oriental and African Studies in London , who also features in the film warned the issue was too complex to be down to one single factor, whether CO2 or clouds.

    He said: "The greenhouse effect theory worried me from the start because you can?t say that just one factor can have this effect.

    "The system is too complex to say exactly what the effect of cutting back on CO2 production would be, or indeed of continuing to produce CO2.

    "It?s ridiculous to see politicians arguing over whether they will allow the global temperature to rise by 2C or 3C."

    Mr Stott said the film could mark the point where scientists advocating the greenhouse effect theory, began to lose the argument.

    He continued: "It is a brave programme at the moment to give excluded voices their say, and maybe it is just the beginning.

    "At the moment, there is almost a McCarthyism movement in science where the greenhouse effect is like a puritanical religion and this is dangerous."

    In the programme Nigel Calder says: "The greenhouse effect is seen as a religion and if you don?t agree, you are a heretic.

    He added: "However, I think this programme will help further debate and scientists not directly involved in global warming studies may begin to study what is being said, become more open-minded and more questioning, but this will happen slowly."

    Copyright ? 2006 National News +44(0)207 684 3000
  4. Lowtide

    Lowtide Elite Refuge Member

    Dec 13, 2003
    I can't wait for "professor" algore to explain the global warming on mars. That should be good. :rolleyes: What a dolt.
  5. Ron Gilmore

    Ron Gilmore Elite Refuge Member

    Feb 27, 2003
    And here is more! Could it be that Gore and his movie will have an affect after all. It seems that more and more people in the science community are willing to step forward and challenge the Henny Penny crowd as to the reason why.

    LAWRENCE SOLOMON, Financial Post
    Published: Friday, March 02, 2007
    Claude Allegre, one of France's leading socialists and among her most celebrated scientists, was among the first to sound the alarm about the dangers of global warming.

    "By burning fossil fuels, man increased the concentration of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere which, for example, has raised the global mean temperature by half a degree in the last century," Dr. Allegre, a renowned geochemist, wrote 20 years ago in Cles pour la geologie.." Fifteen years ago, Dr. Allegre was among the 1500 prominent scientists who signed "World Scientists' Warning to Humanity," a highly publicized letter stressing that global warming's "potential risks are very great" and demanding a new caring ethic that recognizes the globe's fragility in order to stave off "spirals of environmental decline, poverty, and unrest, leading to social, economic and environmental collapse."

    The full Deniers series

    In the 1980s and early 1990s, when concern about global warming was in its infancy, little was known about the mechanics of how it could occur, or the consequences that could befall us. Since then, governments throughout the western world and bodies such as the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change have commissioned billions of dollars worth of research by thousands of scientists. With a wealth of data now in, Dr. Allegre has recanted his views. To his surprise, the many climate models and studies failed dismally in establishing a man-made cause of catastrophic global warming. Meanwhile, increasing evidence indicates that most of the warming comes of natural phenomena. Dr. Allegre now sees global warming as over-hyped and an environmental concern of second rank.

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    Font: ****His break with what he now sees as environmental cant on climate change came in September, in an article entitled "The Snows of Kilimanjaro" in l' Express, the French weekly. His article cited evidence that Antarctica is gaining ice and that Kilimanjaro's retreating snow caps, among other global-warming concerns, come from natural causes. "The cause of this climate change is unknown," he states matter of factly. There is no basis for saying, as most do, that the "science is settled."

    Dr. Allegre's skepticism is noteworthy in several respects. For one, he is an exalted member of France's political establishment, a friend of former Socialist president Lionel Jospin, and, from 1997 to 2000, his minister of education, research and technology, charged with improving the quality of government research through closer co-operation with France's educational institutions. For another, Dr. Allegre has the highest environmental credentials. The author of early environmental books, he fought successful battles to protect the ozone layer from CFCs and public health from lead pollution. His break with scientific dogma over global warming came at a personal cost: Colleagues in both the governmental and environmental spheres were aghast that he could publicly question the science behind climate change.

    But Dr. Allegre had allegiances to more than his socialist and environmental colleagues. He is, above all, a scientist of the first order, the architect of isotope geodynamics, which showed that the atmosphere was primarily formed early in the history of the Earth, and the geochemical modeller of the early solar system. Because of his path-breaking cosmochemical research, NASA asked Dr. Allegre to participate in the Apollo lunar program, where he helped determine the age of the Moon. Matching his scientific accomplishments in the cosmos are his accomplishments at home: Dr. Allegre is perhaps best known for his research on the structural and geochemical evolution of the Earth's crust and the creation of its mountains, explaining both the title of his article in l' Express and his revulsion at the nihilistic nature of the climate research debate.

    Calling the arguments of those who see catastrophe in climate change "simplistic and obscuring the true dangers," Dr. Allegre especially despairs at "the greenhouse-gas fanatics whose proclamations consist in denouncing man's role on the climate without doing anything about it except organizing conferences and preparing protocols that become dead letters." The world would be better off, Dr. Allegre believes, if these "denouncers" became less political and more practical, by proposing practical solutions to head off the dangers they see, such as developing technologies to sequester C02. His dream, he says, is to see "ecology become the engine of economic development and not an artificial obstacle that creates fear."


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    - Lawrence Solomon is executive director of Urban Renaissance Institute and Consumer Policy Institute, divisions of Energy Probe Research Foundation.


    Claude Allegre received a Ph D in physics in 1962 from the University of Paris. He became the director of the geochemistry and cosmochemistry program at the French National Scientific Research Centre in 1967 and in 1971, he was appointed director of the University of Paris's Department of Earth Sciences. In 1976, he became director of the Paris Institut de Physique du Globe. He is an author of more than 100 scientific articles, many of them seminal studies on the evolution of the Earth using isotopic evidence, and 11 books. He is a member of the U.S. National Academy of Sciences and the French Academy of Science.

    ? National Post 2007
  6. flashman

    flashman Elite Refuge Member

    Sep 26, 2000
    Oasis, Idaho
    to the movie which gainsays the Gorbasm.

    Key graphs from the website:

  7. seastreet

    seastreet Banned

    Dec 5, 2002
    Downeast, NC
    Here is a good one. What's he up to now? 270? 280? He hasn't missed too many meals from the looks of it. And Mr. Gore... Bon Appetit...


    Tue Mar 06 2007 17:08:05 ET

    The Most ?Inconvenient Truth?: According to U.N., Animals Raised for Food Generate More Greenhouse Gases Than All Cars and Trucks Combined

    Norfolk, Va. ? This morning, PETA sent a letter to former vice president Al Gore explaining to him that the best way to fight global warming is to go vegetarian and offering to cook him faux ?fried chicken? as an introduction to meat-free meals. In its letter, PETA points out that Gore?s film, An Inconvenient Truth?which starkly outlines the potentially catastrophic effects of global warming and just won the Academy Award for ?Best Documentary??has failed to address the fact that the meat industry is the largest contributor to greenhouse-gas emissions.

    In the letter, PETA points out the following:

    ? The effect that our meat addiction is having on the climate is truly staggering. In fact, in its recent report ?Livestock?s Long Shadow?Environmental Issues and Options,? the United Nations determined that raising animals for food generates more greenhouse gases than all the cars and trucks in the world combined.

    ? Researchers at the University of Chicago have determined that switching to a vegan diet is more effective in countering global warming than switching from a standard American car to a Toyota Prius.

    PETA also reminds Gore that his critics love to question whether he practices what he preaches and suggests that by going vegetarian, he could cut down on his contribution to global warming and silence his critics at the same time.

    ?The single best thing that any of us can do to for our health, for animals, and for the environment is to go vegetarian,? says PETA President Ingrid E. Newkirk. ?The best and easiest way for Mr. Gore to show his critics that he?s truly committed to fighting global warming is to kick his meat habit immediately.?
  8. okie drake

    okie drake Elite Refuge Member

    Mar 7, 2001
    Indian Territory
    Looks like now I have to leave my Powestroke running while eating a hamburger............Things could be worse.:grvn
  9. lancej

    lancej Elite Refuge Member

    May 16, 2002
    Mt. Aukum, CA
    I can't eat Faux meat. Really, its made with Grains. Could even kill me. Guess for once I'll have to agree with Okie and eat my breadless hamburger from the air conditioned splendor of my power stroke diesel.. Or maybe a factory farmed chicken...hmmm, now I'm hungry.

  10. flashman

    flashman Elite Refuge Member

    Sep 26, 2000
    Oasis, Idaho
    Well we know he's not running for office again. He usually spends a lot of time in the gym (exhaling CO2 BTW) when he's making a run.

    But wait, there's more. Just think how much harder those GE engines have to work on those private jets to lift that tub of lard off the tarmac. More global warming if you ask me. :sp

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