Interesting Section of the Torture Report

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  1. blood of the ram

    blood of the ram Elite Refuge Member

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    Or maybe you do. Brennan is nothing if not careful with his words. He admits that there is no evidence that torture worked. Even more telling is his statement that "information subsequently provided by the detainee" since one of the key points of the Torture report summary was that information containing actionable intelligence was actually often provided before an individual was tortured.

    Anyway, the topic of this thread is the contention in the Torture report summary that there is no evidence that information gained from torture provided actionable intelligence. You will recall that it was a CIA talking point and a talking point of torture fanboys, that torture did prevent various plots. Nobody has provided any evidence supporting that now discredited talking point.
     
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    Isn't this moot?

    We all know that we better than this - that's why we don't "catch and release" anymore.

    We have become a nation that murders our "possible" enemies - vaporizes them as they sleep in their tents - and anybody else unfortunate enough to be near them when President Obamas Death Drones strike down and deliver his justice from above.
     
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    You are asking for proof of the un-provable. How do you prove that someone would have said something in another scenario? This is all carefully crafted partisan voodoo and you lap it up like water.


    If you are really concerned with what ACTUALLY happened - not cheerleading the partisan politics - I would urge you to read this... https://news.vice.com/article/psychologist-james-mitchell-admits-he-waterboarded-al-qaeda-suspects

    It is an article/interview of James Mitchell - who actually did the water boarding. It explains how water boarding and EIT's are not designed to produce information while they occur. They are designed to induce fear so that once unsuccessful normal interrogation sessions produce information out of fear of another EIT.


    "The whole point of the waterboard was to induce fear and panic," Mitchell said. "We didn't think [detainees were] going to provide actionable intelligence in a state of fear and panic. You have to start the session with the waterboarding, but the questioning happens the next time you come in the room. It's like any sort of thing you fear: The closer you get to it the next time, the more you struggle to get out of it and find an escape. So the moment [a detainee] was most susceptible to beginning to provide information was just before the next waterboarding session. Not in the original one."

    More to your point - "The executive summary contains disturbing new details about the interrogation techniques to which CIA detainees were subjected, the grave conditions of their confinement, and the value of the intelligence interrogators gleaned from them. The chairwoman of the committee, Senator Dianne Feinstein, said in an introduction to the report that she believes detainees in the custody of the CIA were tortured, and that the intelligence gleaned after detainees were subjected to the techniques did not produce any unique or valuable intelligence.

    But Mitchell, who admitted he is "biased," said valuable intelligence was obtained, particularly in the case of Abu Zubaydah, who Mitchell said provided interrogators with the operational structure of al Qaeda that the CIA continues to rely upon."
     
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    I think the fact that Feinstein chaired the commission, says enough. Let's just have Kin Jong Un chair the UN human rights board.
     
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    Anyone who feels sorry for these animals should be launched out of the country via giant slingshot.

    126 dead in Pakistan school after taliban attack. savages.


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    Obviously, we need to torture more Pakistanis.:l
     
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    blood of the ram Elite Refuge Member

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    Blind dog- interesting, let me look into that
     
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    Well...
     
  9. 'tween_fly_ways

    'tween_fly_ways Moderator Moderator

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    While you look into that, watch this:

    Former Deputy and acting CIA Director Mike Morell on Charlie Rose.
    http://charlierose.com/watch/60490195

    Reasoned response and discussion of the recent report vs. his knowledge of the agency decisions at the time. . . and his rebuttal report when he reviewed it a year or so ago.
     
  10. API

    API Political Action Forum Moderator Flyway Manager

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    Indeed there is no shortage of historical reference to events. Its been fascinating over the past few years to hear so many key members of Congress saying that they had no knowledge of what was going on. Fortunately (unfortunately for self serving congressional liars), there are records of who knew what (I suppose that we must assume that Congress folks are awake, sober, and conscious when they attend the country's business).

    http://www.judicialwatch.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/CIA-Torture-Briefings-1.pdf
     

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