Is this a signal of changes to come?

Discussion in 'The Duck Hunters Forum' started by JP, Mar 7, 2018.

  1. Mort

    Mort Elite Refuge Member Supporting Member

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    Here is a little different perspective from an oos’r….

    First off, I consider myself a conservative, at least from California standards. I have no intention of leaving California although I hate the political climate here. I am retired and I have too many kids and grandkids living here for my wife to allow me to move. 99% of my friends and relatives are conservative hard working people…the other 1% I tolerate. I have hunted out of state on several occasions and guess what…made a few friends while I was there.

    I read your concerns about the migration into your states and bringing their politics with them. Now I realize that the California Forum may not be representative of the overall population of California because most hunters in general tend to be on the conservative side…take a look at this thread:

    http://www.refugeforums.com/threads/ca-sued-over-immigration.1032145/

    Looks like the majority of people from California posting on this forum don’t like the political climate here either.

    Just from reading the forum over the last 10 years, I would say the majority of people leaving California are fed up with the political climate, cost of living, or poor business environment.

    So my guess is that if you find your new neighbor from California. You might want to get to know them before you judge them. You just might find them to be a conservative, hard working, California refugee fed up with California politics.
     
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  2. Honker Ace

    Honker Ace Refuge Member

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    Thought about moving into a major population area such as those in California or along the eastern seaboard for the pay, then realized I could hit retirement goals and make a pretty good living for myself and still retire when I wanted living here due to the lower cost of living. That said, I may be hitting a point in about a year and a half where the earning potential at my current job has hit a wall until retirements occur, at which point I may be forced to look for other employers in the state (not hard if I head to a larger metro area) or even consider relocating to the Midwest for a while where even smaller cities have wages on par with the larger metro areas here and a fair number of open jobs.

    That said, it surprises me more people do not seek out rural areas in the Midwest with mild winters and lower costs of living. Sure, there may be a threat of tornadoes where you live...But I may trade 125 or more inches of snow (sometimes 150-175, even up to 200) and a winter that lasts from late November into April most years for the probability of a twister and a shorter winter with better temps.
     
  3. AvianQuest

    AvianQuest Elite Refuge Member Flyway Manager

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    California now leads the nation in poverty and they continue their headlong dive into socialism and turning the state over to illegal aliens. Nothing is too outrageous anymore. For example the mayor of Stockton wants to give everyone who lives in the town $500 a month just to live there. This is the same town that went bankrupt a few years ago and this puts them on that path again.

    Overall 1,000 to 3,000 people are moving to Texas every day of the year, with a large percentage coming from California. They come here for jobs and the fact that Texas doesn't have an income tax or estate tax. Also they can sell a shack in California and use the funds to buy a mansion here for half the money.
     
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  4. AvianQuest

    AvianQuest Elite Refuge Member Flyway Manager

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  5. markd

    markd Elite Refuge Member

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    Try MA, NY/NJ, PA.....and every single one of them complains how bad everything is here, can't get a good hoagie/bagel/Italian food...... I bet I see 15-20 cars on the way to work every day with Penn State/Steelers stickers on the back.
     
  6. ArmChair Biologist

    ArmChair Biologist Senior Refuge Member

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    I get really tired of this argument. The reason why all these states have an "influx" of people moving there from California is because California is the state with the most people. California has 12 million more people then Texas, the second most populous state. Think about it, you can take the population of Texas and the population of Ohio (which is the countries 7th most populous state) and that would equal the population of California. Of course allot of Californians leave, there's allot of them!

    Have allot of you even been to California? I've spent allot of time there. My Aunt and Uncle live in Santa Cruz and my Cousins now live in San Francisco. I've found the people to be very friendly and the weather fantastic. Besides that, the women are second to none, especially in Santa Cruz. I've never been anywhere else in the world that had so many attractive women as that town. The first girl I made out with was in Santa Cruz as a teenager. None of my cousins friends thought she was very attractive. She would have been the best looking girl in my school! She ended up being a cheerleader for Arizona State University. :tu

    If you guys don't like it that's fine. More for me! :D
     
  7. buck_master_2001

    buck_master_2001 Elite Refuge Member

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    Yet California is still ranked in the top 10 least dependent states of federal taxes....their economy and tax revenue is simply that large.
     
  8. buck_master_2001

    buck_master_2001 Elite Refuge Member

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    California would be one of the best states in the country if it wasn’t for their screwed up politics and regulations. I loved being stationed there. However, I also knew it was only for 4 years. I enjoyed my time there but I don’t want to go back.
     
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  9. Duckfiend

    Duckfiend Senior Refuge Member

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    I think it is a sign of inflation. High wage area housing and the stock market have exploded in price. Those dollars we now earn purchase less high wage area house and stocks while food, gas, and housing in lower wage areas have not increased very much in price. I think this gives people reason to move around the country for economic reasons. It is not always about politics at first but in the end micro political climates will be impacted.
     
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  10. Vahunter

    Vahunter Elite Refuge Member

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    Actually, they are talking about net population shifts.... For decades, there was a net increase of people moving to Cali for the climate, aerospace and tech jobs, etc.
    Today, more people are leaving Cali and the ones leaving are people with high wage earning capabilities and high net worths. The people moving in are largely going to be net consumers of government services for a long time.
    BTW, the best looking chicks are found in the crescent of states from South Carolina to Texas. Humidity is good for something; the dry climate out west ruins their complexions. :dv
     

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