Long shots....

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  1. Packman

    Packman Elite Refuge Member

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    Ok I know I said it before but remembering the wasted deer I have found.:mad::(


    If you shoot at any big game animal at any distance and do not go to the spot the animal was standing check for blood or hair and track the animal for a while then you are an unethical hunter!

    And I don't care if you "know" you missed.

    Stepping down off my soap box now
     
  2. MT H2OFowl

    MT H2OFowl Senior Refuge Member

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    This is a good thread. I watched a former marine shooting instructor kill a bull last year at lasered 563 yards. I just about pooped myself. But that man, like Hitman and ND know what they are doing with a rifle in their hands. I have never fired a shot at a big game animal over 300 yards. I don't even own a range finder. Most of my shots are under 80 yards, not cause I hunt harder but because of brush.
    There is just one thing that disturbs me a bit. 1350 yards? Three quarters of a mile? If wind is a big of a factor as ND said, There is no way to tell what the wind is doing a mile away, it could be blowing in three different directions over that span, anyone who hunts mountainous country will agree. Additionally, even if it was out in open plains with no wind, how many shots has anyone taken practicing at that range. That is too far my friend, that is a lucky shot.
    Everyone has a story about the long shot, what you never hear is confessions of the gut-shot, ***-shot, shoulder-hacked bulls that got away. And those are the usually the big herd bulls that some guy just "had" to take a crack at.
     
  3. Packman

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    Ok think of your shots this way for those that haven't studied this stuff a lot.

    one of the most common rifles used is the .30-06.

    I use a pre '64 modle 70 loaded 180 grain Federals. 1/4 yes, one quarter, inch groups at 100 yards off sand bags.

    Here is a chart developed by MallardAddict Here

    Just look at the drop at long ranges

    Wt: 180gr Vel: 2790

    Yds Velocity Energy T.O.F Drop Drift
    0 2790 3112 0.000 -1.5 0.000
    25 2739 2999 0.027 -0.69 0.000
    50 2690 2893 0.054 -0.16 0.000
    75 2642 2791 0.082 0.08 0.000
    100 2595 2692 0.111 0 0.000
    125 2548 2596 0.14 -0.41 0.000
    150 2503 2505 0.17 -1.14 0.000
    175 2458 2415 0.2 -2.23 0.000
    200 2414 2330 0.231 -3.67 0.000
    225 2370 2246 0.262 -5.49 0.000
    250 2328 2167 0.294 -7.69 0.000
    275 2286 2089 0.327 -10.29 0.000
    300 2245 2015 0.36 -13.31 0.000
    325 2205 1944 0.393 -16.75 0.000
    350 2165 1874 0.428 -20.65 0.000
    375 2127 1809 0.463 -25 0.000
    400 2088 1743 0.498 -29.84 0.000
    425 2051 1682 0.535 -35.17 0.000
    450 2014 1622 0.571 -41.02 0.000
    475 1978 1564 0.609 -47.41 0.000
    500 1943 1509 0.647 -54.35 0.000
    525 1908 1455 0.686 -61.86 0.000
    550 1874 1404 0.726 -69.97 0.000
    575 1840 1354 0.766 -78.7 0.000
    600 1807 1305 0.807 -88.07 0.000
    625 1775 1260 0.849 -98.1 0.000



    98 inches = 8.167 feet
    :eek:
     
  4. njking

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    Hitman thanks for folloing up my question. All I wanted was an answer of why you feel like you need to take that long of shot I know I said the word stupid in my first post and I apologize if you felt I was calling you stupid. The reason I wanted you to answer the question is to see if you respected what you are doing when taking long shots which sound like you do. I came from western South Dakota were Big game hunting is big and you see alot of guys who think they are just cool because they killed a deer or elk at a certain distance and these same guys only shot there rifle the day before hunting season then shot their animal and never see again all year.

    PS I was not tring to offend you just tring to have a conversation
     
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    One more question for evrerybody who likes to take long shots
    ND terminator says his max distance is 450 yrds what are some of the other max yrds others will shot
     
  6. Packman

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    300 for me and that is pushing it.
     
  7. MallardAddict

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    for the most part i like to stay under 450-500 yds at max unless everything pans out just right. As i said above i shot my buck bedded in a plowed field this year at a ranged 654 yds. When we started in on this buck he was at 1278 yds and at 654 he started getting nervous. I took the shot but i knew that with no wind apparent and a nice level shot i could make it work. we ( there were 3 of us and all of us have done a lot of shooting at long ranges) all had adequate guns ( me a 7mm RUM, a 300 Weatherby and a 300 RUM) laid down in the dirt and using a combination of my bipod and backpack my rifle was very very steady. as i said above at the shot the buck just rolled over.

    All of that said i stretched my normal max range by 150 yds on opening day of wa deer season, but only because i knew i could make it with the given conditions, although the buck was nervous he stayed still for me, i know that gun front to back and i have the utmost faith in the 2 guys next to me.

    Long range shots arent for everyone, but for those who do the homework at the range and practice shots off their chosen rests (bipod, fence posts or jackets , etc) then each guy must choose his own max range
     
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    Mallard you say you shot your buck in a plowed field. Well that reminded me of a buck my friend shot in a cut bean field here is the story. It is a pretty good story I posted it on here a cuople of years back.

    who has the patience
    this year during deer season my buddy told me he had a real nice buck running around his placeso opening weekend after my hunt i head over to his place to see how his luck went when i was driving past one of his bean fields i notice a orange blob laying out in the middle of this bean stubble then i spot his truck parked behing a tree belt i was worrid he hurt himslef out there so i got out my binoculars and could see he was crawling toward a nice buck and a doe beded down in the middle of the bean stubble well i drove away not wanting to hurt his hunt this last weekend i finally got to talk to him wondering for about two month what was the outcome of that day
    Well any way he crawled trough that bean stubble (about 6inches tall) and got with in 100 yards of the buck and bagged him he scored 165 a nice 5*5 Oh way by the way it took him 5 hours and 40 min to crawl within range he was moving at a rocks pace he started crawling at about 8 in the morning and shot him around 1:45 in the after noon. 500 yards in almost 6 hours. I know i sure would not have the patience
     
  9. AndyMo2005

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    Hunting the river bottoms of VA, I can't usually see more than 150 yards. I have shot at 200 before and my rifle and I both did well. So with me hunting in the woods, if I can get a clear shot at it, then I can hit it. Out in the open, I don't think I would be comfortable shooting more than 200, just because I have never done it before.

    I don't think there is anything wrong with shooting a mile as long as you are accurate enough and your equipment advanced enough to cleanly kill an animal every time. If you can't claim that, then I don't think you have any business taking a shot at that range.

    Personally, I would rather get closer than just have a go at a long distance. Distance is great for the range, but I don't think it would mean as much to me as a stalk or ambush.

    Andy
     
  10. MallardAddict

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    Njking, that is a hell of a story and trustr me i wish i could have had ANY kind of cover. when i say plowed i mean entirely disced into dirt. most of the fields we hutn have wheat stubble about 6-8" tall and i too have done the slow crawl in the dirt to get closer. It isnt that i really like to take the long shot, just that where we hunt it arises often with not many other options so i make sure i can shoot it if there is no other option to close the distance.

    I handload for my gun and use the best load i can get and thr scope i use is a 6.5-20 VXIII or 6-18 VXII both modified by Premier reticles with hold over dots for my particular loads. We use a range finder all the time and watch the wind really closely, btu i too would prefer to have a 100 yd shot every year but hunting wheat country with so many breaks and valleys it just isnt always possible.
     

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