Sun....Although Contrary as hell...I always enjoy reading your responses. But perhaps you missed the point of the request.... I have a 6 yr old boy, 11 yr old girl, and a 14 yr old girl. I want to introduce them to wing shooting without the mud, the cold, or the long river rides for a couple of ducks. Here in the southern part of the state the places to do the doves are few and far between. Even worse quail hunting, which is what I grew up on is even harder to do. It's to bring my kids along that I want to go.....If I have to pay to be with another group that feeds the birds in a way to meet state regs then I want the time with my kids in that enviroment. So.... Try not to let yorself get too fired up over this one.