National Monuments and Trump

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  1. hartfish

    hartfish Elite Refuge Member

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    I'm torn on the move to shrink the two national monuments in Utah. As a hunter, I'm all for protecting as much public land as possible, but I'm not sure if all that extra acreage declared by Obama "needed" to be protected.

    The hyperbole and distortions and outright lies coming from the left are laughable.

    What say youse guys?

    SALT LAKE CITY — President Donald Trump's rare move to shrink two large national monuments in Utah triggered another round of outrage among Native American leaders who vowed to unite and take the fight to court to preserve protections for lands they consider sacred.
    http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...ive-people/ar-BBGeZHA?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=DELLDHP

    The company also posted a message on its homepage that was highly critical of President Trump's decision to cut the size of the monuments.

    "The president stole your land," the message declared in large type across the screen.

    "In an illegal move, the president just reduced the size of Bears Ears and Grand Staircase-Escalante National Monuments," read a message in small font. "This is the largest elimination of protected land in American history."
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...12/04/anti-trump-patagonia-message/921542001/
     
  2. stevena198301

    stevena198301 Elite Refuge Member Supporting Member

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    Escalante is pretty neat. Got to see it on our Grand Loop trip. We hit so many parks, I had forgotten about this one.

    As for the reduction, how did it ever survive before Obama put the protections in place?
     
  3. KENNEDY63

    KENNEDY63 Elite Refuge Member

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    The Right Move on Monuments
    Trump puts an end to a federal land grab in southeast Utah.


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    Updated Dec. 5, 2017 6:51 p.m. ET

    President Trump announced Monday that he will dramatically reduce the acreage of two national monuments. The order ends excessive federal control of Utah land, allowing residents to protect their own territory and conserve their cultural relics.

    Congress passed the Antiquities Act in 1906 to give Presidents emergency authority to prevent the looting and destruction of national treasures. The law said designated monuments should be limited to “the smallest area compatible with proper care and management of the objects,” but Bill Clinton and Barack Obama misapplied this power to carry out a Washington land grab.

    Without public comment, the federal government unilaterally seized control of more than 3.2 million acres of southeastern Utah that together constitute the Grand Staircase-Escalante and Bears Ears national monuments. Residents and their elected representatives had minimal influence on the draconian land-use restrictions imposed by Washington bureaucrats. In September, Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke described how the Antiquities Act had been abused “to prevent public access and to prevent public use” of land, harming everyone from cattlemen to cross-country skiers.

    Last spring Mr. Trump ordered a review of 27 supersized monuments. The Interior Department made recommendations only after accepting formal public comment. Mr. Trump announced Monday that he would shrink Bears Ears by about 85% and Grand Staircase-Escalante by nearly 46%.

    Over the past few days, thousands have marched in Salt Lake to oppose the decision. The Southern Utah Wilderness Alliance denounced the order as “the single most harmful attack any president has ever launched on public lands.” The group claims the Trump Administration acted “at the behest of ideological extremists and dirty energy barons,” adding that the decision is “an insult to the tribes that advocated to protect Bears Ears.”

    Calm down, guys. Most of the two million newly undesignated acres are still public lands, subject to rigorous federal and state protections. The Trump Administration increased Native American representation on the advisory Bears Ears Commission.

    Utah Reps. Chris Stewart and John Curtis are introducing two bills this week to govern the scaled-down monuments, with the support of Natural Resources Chair Rob Bishop. Under the Shash Jáa and Indian Creek National Monuments Act, locals would administer and protect the former Bears Ears land, with tribal representatives holding the majority vote.

    In other words, the Trump Administration’s order not only ends federal overreach but restores power to local people. That’s a monumental and welcome change.
     
  4. pintail2222

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    STATES RIGHTS! :tu :clap
     
  5. The_Duck_Master

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    I lean toward the philosophy that if it "needed" to be protected it should have been done through Congress, not executive action. The simple size of these areas also brings into question whether "national monuments" is the appropriate designation or if it that designation was chosen simply to avoid the need for congressional approval. We all likely know the answer to that though, don't we?
     
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    I thought the rule was to attribute copy and paste to the article. Do you have the link?
     
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    https://www.backcountryhunters.org/_administration_chops_national_monuments

    ADMINISTRATION CHOPS NATIONAL MONUMENTS, PANDERS TO ENERGY INDUSTRY, IGNORES WILL OF AMERICAN PEOPLE

    MISSOULA, Mont. – Calling today “a dark day” for the nation’s conservation legacy, Backcountry Hunters & Anglers excoriated an anticipated announcement by President Trump to drastically reduce and dismantle two national monuments in Utah that encompass vast expanses of important fish and game habitat.
     
  10. theduckguru

    theduckguru Elite Refuge Member

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    It will take about 10 minutes for the courts to overrule Trump.
     

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