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New world record elk.... fact or fiction?

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  1. MJ

    MJ Administrator Moderator Flyway Manager

    Oct 28, 2002
    Northern NV
    Here's the latest to surface on the big bull...

    Oct. 5, 2006

    By Rich Landers
    Outdoors editor
    The Spokesman-Review

    News travels fast by the Internet and e-mail. So do rumors and lies.

    The latest hunting-related fib to come across my computer screen is a
    photo of two hunters with a monster elk accompanied by this message:

    "This Elk was killed with a bow in the Selway-Bitterroot Wilderness. He
    green scored 575 .... He has an unbelievable outside spread of 79
    inches. This is the biggest bull ever taken with any weapon."

    The reference to the Selway is the first clue that at least some of the
    information is bogus.

    "That was a big red flag to us," said Brad Compton, Idaho Fish and Game
    Department big-game manager who also had received the digital image.
    "That would be 150 points bigger than any bull that's ever come out of
    the Selway. It's too farfetched."

    "Anybody who knows anything about Selway elk could take one look at
    bull and know that information is wrong," said Ryan Hatfield of the
    Boone and Crockett Club in Missoula. Hatfield, who just finished
    researching and publishing a book about trophy elk taken in Idaho, said
    he'd received at least 150 e-mails regarding the so-called Selway elk
    in the past few days.

    After some sleuthing on Tuesday and a tip from a game rancher in
    Riggins, I found the source of the photo and the bull: Laurentian
    Wildlife Estate, which has operated as a shooter-bull ranch for six
    years near Mont Tremblant, Quebec, Canada.

    In a telephone interview, Laurentian manager Tony Barber (at left in
    photo) said his California client killed the bull earlier this year
    inside the 1,000-acre estate, which is enclosed by a game-proof fence
    to hold the domestically produced elk and red deer.

    The elk is a Manitoba strain, not the Rocky Mountain subspecies native
    to Idaho, Barber said while offering the following details.

    The bull was 10 years old and weighed 595 pounds. Its non-typical
    antlers had 12 points on one side, 9 on the other with an outside
    spread of 79 inches.

    The bull has been monitored closely as it matured. "We picked up its
    shed antlers last year and they measured 516 (Boone and Crockett
    points)," Barber said.

    Here are other numbers to ponder:

    Barber said the bull's Boone and Crockett score is at least 560 green,
    that is, before the drying and shrinkage required for official scoring.
    (Two unofficial measurers scored it 566 and 561 green, he said.)

    For comparison, the Boone and Crockett world record bull, found floating
    dead in Upper Arrow Lake, British Columbia, scored 465 2/8.

    The biggest fair-chase bull to be taken by a hunter came from Arizona.
    It scored 450 6/8.

    Cost to hunt elk on the Quebec shooter-bull operation starts at $4,900,
    but prices for trophy bulls are negotiated, as Barber put it, "into the
    high five-digits."

    If the unofficial measurements hold up, the bull's dry-score antlers
    "would be the biggest ever taken by a hunter," Barber said.

    Most sportsmen, however, take exception to his reference to "hunter."

    Indeed, sportsmen who hunt the old-fashioned way for elk that run wild
    and free won't have to compete in the official North American record
    books against this farm-raised specimen.

    "Boone and Crockett does not keep hunting records of animals that come
    from behind escape-proof fencing," Hatfield said.

    You can contact Rich Landers by voice mail at 459-5577, extension 5508,
    or e-mail to
  2. offroadbaby

    offroadbaby Elite Refuge Member

    Jan 3, 2006
    Lewiston, ID
    See, told ya. :fp
  3. Rebelyeller

    Rebelyeller Elite Refuge Member

    Dec 17, 2002
    Sonoras death row
    This crap is out of control!!!Like we aint got enough jack arses on the anti gun side.
  4. weatherby

    weatherby Moderator Moderator

    May 13, 2001
    Gratiot County

    I know i would :dv
  5. MJ

    MJ Administrator Moderator Flyway Manager

    Oct 28, 2002
    Northern NV
    I'm not sure what you mean. Could you be more specific? What crap is out of control? Are you referring to a canned hunt?

    What the "shooter" did was legal. It's common practice. I'm not saying I agree with canned hunts, but it isn't illegal.

    You will never turn an anti into a hunter so what difference would it make where this bull was killed? Anti hunters don't differentiate between canned or fair chase hunts. We're all savages to them!
  6. MallardAddict

    MallardAddict Elite Refuge Member

    Nov 3, 2001
    Puyallup, Wa.
    Well it did not take long and the truth came out. This bull is from a game farm in canada his name was samurai and the farm sold his semen for years. the farm he was shot off of can be found at:

    rumor has it the "shooter" paid 6 figures to shot this bull. boone and crocket also ruled it is ineligible to enter. i hate high fence hunts for tame and steroid induced bulls!!!:mad:
  7. MJ

    MJ Administrator Moderator Flyway Manager

    Oct 28, 2002
    Northern NV
    Actually, the bull is supposed to be from Laurentian Wildlife Estate, which has operated as a shooter-bull ranch for six years near Mont Tremblant, Quebec, Canada.

    Doesn't matter. It's still a farm raised critter!
  8. H20OTTER

    H20OTTER Elite Refuge Member

    May 28, 2002
    And the game farm has recieved a huge amount of free advertising over this. Just what they were lookng for. Who, here, now has the phone number and price to go on a canned hunt for a trophy bull???:z
  9. bullcan

    bullcan Senior Refuge Member

    Dec 24, 2004
    Mattawan, MI
    Why pay $100,000+ for that? Would be cheaper to just have large antlers made out of plastic or something. Shooting that elk is about as gratifying as shooting a farm cow.
  10. jjohnson_714

    jjohnson_714 Senior Refuge Member

    Nov 20, 2005
    i was just in the selway bitteroot wilderness 2 weeks ago... i dont think there are any elk there anymore... :(

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