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NR freelancers break 28 laws while in SK

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  1. tikka300

    tikka300 Elite Refuge Member

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    By Erin Morrison
    Regina Leader Post

    Wednesday, October 19, 2005


    An ongoing debate about more supervision for visiting bird hunters has not been resolved in time to prevent a group of American hunters from breaking 28 hunting laws in Saskatchewan.

    Seven U.S. residents, from Arizona, Kentucky and California, have been ordered to pay nearly $20,000 in fines for breaking hunting laws in southwest Saskatchewan.

    Among the violations was a conviction for shooting a protected species -- a rare great horned owl was shot by a member of the group.

    They were also fined for exceeding daily and annual possession limits, carrying loaded firearms in a vehicle, hunting within 500 metres of occupied buildings and hunting without a licence.

    "From time to time you do get a group of individuals that come up and show a total disregard for the law," said Doug Lucyshyn, a Saskatchewan Environment conservation officer.

    Hal Stupenoff, executive director for the Saskatchewan Outfitters Association, said the crimes could have been prevented if Saskatchewan Environment proceeded with proposed legislation to require an outfitter to arrange trips for visiting bird hunters.

    The organization representing 650 outfitters in the province has spent two years asking the province, along with the Alberta and Manitoba governments, to make outfitters mandatory for visiting bird hunters.

    Outfitters are already mandatory for non-residents hunting other animals in Saskatchewan.

    Along with the benefits to the outfitter businesses, Stupenoff said that hunters would then be properly informed of hunting laws in the province.

    Kevin Omoth, Saskatchewan's provincial outfitting manager, confirmed "that discussion has been ongoing for many, many years," regarding requiring an outfitter.

    But he doesn't expect to see any such regulation appear in the near future, he said.

    "(The Saskatchewan Outfitters Association) would like to have it mandatory, and other groups don't want to have it mandatory ... I wouldn't put much more stock in it than that," he said.

    The Turn In Poachers hotline gets about 1,000 calls each year reporting illegal hunting practices in the province, according to Lucyshyn.
    © The Leader-Post (Regina) 2005
     
  2. Lead Net

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    I am glad they were caught... shooting an owl??? what idiots.

    Now about this business about require a guide for all NR bird hunters... NO FRICKEN WAY.

    They had better now pass such an outlandish law. Of course the guide assoc. wants it... it's easy money because everyone would be required to have on.

    that's like saying only licensed mechanics can work on your vehicles. You can't do it yourself because we've had too many accidents involving vehicles that owners have performed their own maintenance on.

    I've been coming up to Sask. since 88 and my dad since 68... I have personally been checked by CO's twice, and checked out ok. There are many others that come up and obey the laws, and use COMMON SENSE when hunting, and are courteous to the land owners...
    DON"T PUNISH THE 99% OF THE LAW ABIDING HUNTERS FOR THE 1% OF SCREW-OFFS!!
    Sask. and the local areas would lose money.
     
  3. WildCanuck

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    glad they got busted!!!! :mad: :mad: :mad: we've had this debate time and time again, and all signs point to the eventual elimination of freelance hunting out west... it might not be the best solution, but it will be alot easier for the authorities to keep track of things... it stinks, but as in many other good things, the few bad apples ruin the fun for the rest of us!! who shoots a freakin owl????? :fp I remember once hunting the government run cap tourmante snow goose hunt, back when there was no hunting of Canada's here in Quebec.... Anyways, needless to say they check you every time you hunt, and when I was there there was a couple of fools who shot a few Canada's and a great horned owl.... I'm sorry, but Canada geese and a horned owl don't look like snow geese!!
    WildCanuck
     
  4. Fanatic

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    I read that this morning in our newspaper, absolutely sickening....

    It's these clowns that give all non-res's a bad name to some....

    Thankfully for those that love to come up here and do obey the laws, there will be no laws passed making it mandatory to have a guide, simply just too many small communities (in SK anyways) that rely on the income....
     
  5. skydonkey

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    I am glad they got busted and I hope the ones that shot the owl also had everything confiscated that they had with them ( guns ,shells, decoys, trucks, trailers, cameras, hell even the cloths off there backs). The other violations not enough info to pass judgment.
    I met my wife in in a little town called Kuroki, Saskatchewan, drove back and forth for eight months before she moved down here(Illinois). But I got to know a bunch of good people up there but also heard all the stories of road hunting moose, elk, deer, shooting praire chickens off the road with a 22, all of these are illegal but I bet happen more than people are willing to admit. Now how about the farmer running the combine in the field with a 270 to pop the occasional coyote. Most people would let that slide. But still Illegal.
    I am not trying to justify any American/Canadian breaking the law in Canada, just wanting to show that just because there is a border does not mean that the only law breakers live south of it.
    Wildcanuck, would no freelancing make it easier for your C.P.Os to keep track of everything, less hunters = less C.P.Os. The rest I will agree with Lead Net

    Skydonkey
     
  6. IFSteve

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    I am glad they got busted and they deserve every punishment they get dealt. But for someone to suggest that having an outfitter would help them be aware of the regs is absurd. Shooting an owl and hunting without a license? They knew full well what the heck they were doing and that it was not legal. Toss them in the joint but don't punish the vast majority of legit and ethical hunters by forcing them to use an outfitter.
     
  7. drahthaar1

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    Ya it only takes a caouple of people to ruin some thing. Glad they were caught and I wish more people would get caught as well. My brother read and articcle from my home town paper to it was title "DRIVE BY SHOOTING KILLS ELK" and anyway the article goes on to say that there were three elk killed in one area and left each having over bullet wholes in there more are being found.

    Some idiot decides to open open on herd with a semi auto for target practice I sure hope they catch them as well.

    Game law are easy to follow and cannot believe that people don't want to protect hunting for themselves and other generations.

    Glad they were busted
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    Mmmmh, Pliny!
    Got what they had comming and I am glad to hear it. I assume they were forbidden to hunt in Sask for at least 10 years if not lifetime banishment. What idiots....no license - shooting an owl. Jesus it's just pathetic.
    BTW Sky I've been to Kuroki also. I think you may have gotten the only eligible woman for miles around. :tu
     
  9. skydonkey

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    morduks,

    when where you up there and did you ever go to the El Kuroki, the only bar in town??

    skydonkey
     
  10. tikka300

    tikka300 Elite Refuge Member

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    FANATIC - While SERM may have no intention of mandating outfitters for NRs (and I for one hate the idea) it only takes a story like this to receive play in the media and the decision will be based on political posturing - ask the guys in BC about grizz hunting (though science eventually reigned the season was still closed for years) or ask the boys in Ontario about spring bear hunts. Those closures were also made in spite of the cries from rural communties warning of economic doom.

    What the hell is wrong with that? Nothing illegal about having a rifle with you when working. Everyone on the Duck Hunters forum cheered when Florida passed a law permitting residents to KILL PEOPLE when they pose a threat to your property - what do you think coyotes, bears, wolves do with your livestock?
     

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