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  1. eel river

    eel river Elite Refuge Member

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    Provide done before and after metrics for the educational system and you might make some relevant point.
     
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    Ron, get off the forum and get that repeal and replace plan done! :l:l:l Hey, can ya also get to work in a tax plan and debt reduction plan? Donald needs your help. :tu
     
  3. ALMODUX

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    Every hurricane, tsunami, or drought is good for a few more years of climate whining. Never fails.

    They're all over any imagined correlation between weather and doom, but you can't convince the same whiners that leftism and terrorism are reality.
     
  4. API

    API Political Action Forum Moderator Flyway Manager

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    On the one hand we have the dynamics of the environment versus irrational craziness. The questions and actions ought to be about which one has the highest potential for directing towards a beneficial outcome.
     
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    Well, we can probably figure out how to change the climate before we'll EVER fix their kind of stupid. Flying pigs should do the trick in reversing any MMGW, I'd think.
     
  6. pintail2222

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    Measure Common Core by its own metrics and standards and the conclusion is that it isn't working.

    And so what? The answer is to not throw more money at it? But! But! But! But that's how Washington DC works! We've had the failed Education policy in place for seven years - if we just throw more money at it that will solve everything!
     
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    Texas, Thou Hast Sinned
    Progressives blame Houston’s success for the hurricane disaster.
    By The Editorial Board
    Aug. 31, 2017 7:13 p.m. ET

    Who says progressives don’t believe in religion? They may not believe in Jehovah or Jesus, but they certainly believe in Old Testament-style wrath against sinners. Real Noah and the Ark stuff. Witness the emerging theme on the media left that Texas, and especially Houston, are at fault for the devastation of Hurricane Harvey.

    This has happened even faster than usual, perhaps because the Katrina II scenario of emergency mismanagement didn’t pan out. The state, local and federal governments have done a competent job under terrible conditions, and stories about neighborly charity, racial goodwill, the heroism of rescuers, and Big Business donating money and goods don’t fit into any agenda. Whinging over Melania’s heels also lacks political legs.

    So our friends on the left have had to look elsewhere to score ideological points, and they believe they’ve found the right target in the political economy of those greedy Texans. Specifically, Houston is a global hub of the oil and gas industry, and it has allowed “laissez-faire” development without zoning laws. This has brought the righteous wrath of Harvey down on their own heads.


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    “Harvey, the Storm That Humans Helped Cause,” said a headline in one progressive bellwether as the storm raged. An overseas columnist was less subtle if more clichéd: “Houston, you have a problem, and some of it of your own making.” In this telling, Houston is the Sodom and Gomorrah of fossil fuels, which cause global warming, which is producing more hurricanes.

    The problem is that this argument is fact-free. As Roger Pielke Jr. has noted, the link between global warming and recent hurricanes and extreme weather events is “unsupportable based on research and evidence.” Mr. Pielke, who is no climate-change denier, has shown with data that hurricanes hitting the U.S. have not increased in frequency or intensity since 1900, there is no notable trend up or down in global tropical cyclone landfalls since 1970, and floods have not increased in frequency or intensity in the U.S. since 1950.

    The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration recently said that “it is premature to conclude that human activities—and particularly greenhouse gas emissions that cause global warming—have already had a detectable impact on Atlantic hurricane or global tropical cyclone activity.”

    No less than the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change says it lacks evidence to show that global warming is making storms and flooding worse. But climate scolds still blame Harvey on climate change because, well, this is what the climate models say should happen as the climate warms.

    In other words, Houstonians, you’d better go to climate confession, mend your sinful ways, and give up all of those high-paying oil-and-gas jobs. Maybe all those drillers and refiners can work for Google or Facebook .

    Then there’s the political assault on Houston’s pro-growth development policies. “Harvey Wasn’t Just Bad Weather. It Was Bad City Planning,” shouts a piece in Bloomberg Businessweek: “Sprawling Houston is a can-do city whose attitude is grow first, ask questions later. It’s the only major U.S. city without a zoning code saying what types of buildings can go where, so skyscrapers sometimes sprout next to split-levels. Voters have repeatedly opposed enacting a zoning law.”

    How dare those Texas hicks reject the political controls over building that zoning laws represent. How dare they prefer lower construction costs and affordable housing. The average rent on a one-bedroom home in Houston is 60% lower than in San Jose, Calif., in part because the city issues permits once builders satisfy a health and safety checklist. They don’t have many mandates that raise costs. Tens of thousands of people move to Houston and its swampy climate because they can get good jobs and afford to live there.

    Zoning also has little or nothing to do with flooding. Some on the left blame roads built over wetlands. But according to Joel Kotkin’s Center for Opportunity Urbanism, the main problem is Houston’s topography. Its clay soil doesn’t absorb water well and the flat city doesn’t drain well. In the 1800s when there were no highways or parking lots, parts of the city were often flooded.

    The loss of wetlands since the early 1990s has reduced Houston’s capacity to absorb water by some four billion gallons, but Harvey dropped trillions of gallons of rain. Harris County which surrounds Houston has expanded storm-water retention ponds. But no amount of flood control could have prevented damage from a once-in-500-years storm.

    New York City has plenty of zoning and building limits, yet it suffered $19 billion in damage from Hurricane Sandy that dropped only a half inch of rain. Fifty-one square miles of New York were flooded by Sandy’s storm surge, 300,000 homes and 23,400 businesses were inundated. “Smart growth” plans didn’t prevent that.

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    All of this shows the folly of trying to force-feed natural disasters into neat ideological categories. Major storms cause major damage, and sometimes even the best mitigation plans can’t prevent it. No doubt Houston will learn lessons from Harvey about drainage and building that might reduce the damage the next time. Risk-based insurance for property would also help reduce taxpayer losses.

    Texans are used to being sneered at by coastal elites, and we trust they’ll reject this attempt at their moral improvement too. Their rebuilding will be that much faster, and cheaper, because they have a resilient economy built on energy and zoning laws that make housing affordable. They also know the difference between an act of nature and progressive political opportunism.
     
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    And Pat Robertson blames sinners.

    Olbermann was good on Sportscenter 20 years ago but is a hack now.
     
  9. pintail2222

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    It's their "Religion".

    Just as Robertson the butt hat blamed NY City religious "sinners" for the 9/11 attacks - those butt hats who worship Global Warming blame Houston environmental "sinners" for Harvey.
     
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    Robertson is then to blame himself as he is a sinner. Deceiving people for money is a sin if you follow Christian teachings or most religious sects.

    Our community is sending people and supplies south all week, churches, businesses, just ordinary people doing what is right. None looking for a pat on the back, or salvation. We as a community have fought back the rising waters as a community. We understand the loss and devastation. Nobody pointing a finger at GW or saying it is Gods revenge etc....

    Friend who lost his crops to hail and drought this year is providing the tractor to pull down the trailer loaded with supplies. Another person I don't know but know of him donated the use of three box trailers as well as a couple bumper hitch trailers. Local car dealership has provided two diesel pickups to tow those loaded trailers along with fuel cards.

    The people in the affected area and surrounding area rescuing people and animals, and helping get supplies to those affected are what we need to talk about. Not Olbermann or Robertson or any politician trying to make this into a football to kick around for gain by them.

    Really why I jumped on the article you posted earlier. The extent of suffering and loss that so many are going through is not something one understands if you haven't seen it. In 97 Grand Forks was lost, evacuation was ordered. My father in-law had retired from farming and sold out his machinery. He had booked rooms in Fargo for him, SIL and BIL as well as our family and his other daughter. It was suppose to be a celebration and his thanks to us. We had checked in that day when the evacuation order came for the city of Grand Forks.

    He gathered all of us together and said, I think we should give up our rooms as families are going to need a place to stay and we all have high and dry places to go. Our kids where small and looking forward to the pool time etc... but even they at 5-7 understood that it was the right thing to do. We checked out shortly after, and he paid for somebody to use those rooms he had booked.

    My point is that in tragedy like this that despots like Olbermann and Robertson are the black evil of humanity and don't deserve any air time!
     
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