Any of you watch Ed Bruces' show "Doc on Point"? I've seen 3 segments of it and it looks like they are training a youg Setter. Pretty good show considering they do their training/shooting on Southern Plantations. Also watch a show called "The Guides" with David Sparks and Wayne Pearson. Mostly Quail and Pheasant hunting but Pearson does his hunting with a O/U .410. The Ol' Boy can shoot!