Question about volume on RM Pothole

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  1. stumpjumper0531

    stumpjumper0531 Elite Refuge Member Sponsor

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    Everyone has different lung capacity, mouth and throat shape boss. Learning to tune a call for you volume of air is one of the most important things to learn. Lord knows that when I first started blowing a duck call...i would think a call was simply bad. Then down the road I learned to cut my own reads and figured out that some of the calls I had were pretty dang good.

    I need to get time to take pictures and post how to micro tune a call to dial it in to where one is happy


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  2. Rickard

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    THIS! I picked up a Pothole during my deployment along with literally all others I wanted except a Jade Alpha. Apart from the Jade, I at least have a model made in each line within the last 2 years. My favorite is absolutely my black CNC CWF that became my primary next to a Lares Hybrid. Out of the box, it ran like a dream and as previously stated, it can whisper and scream. The Pothole i acquired might still need some tweaks on the reed, but the volume is fairly comparable to a CWF. I think my CWF has more rattle, volume and runs a lot looser. I'm not a comp caller or anything like it, but my CWF "feels" better while i run it and i can do more with it. Compared to the new steel shot Alpha and the Cranberry Alpha, which are still fun to run, i prefer the CWF over all of the other models, but that doesnt mean none of the others wont see any game time when we open in KS.
     
  3. callinfowl

    callinfowl Kalifornia Forum

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    Out of the 46 yrs that I've been hunting ducks and or watching ducks in the wild and in parks. I have never, not once seen/heard a duck get quieter when other ducks were either swimming in or flying in, quite the opposite in fact . Why anyone would want a quiet duck call makes absolutely zero sense to me. Blow the call loud and proud all the way to the shot. If birds start bouncing off the call, try a loud heavy single cut feed calling or well spaced single quacks, or fast clucks or quacks much like the alarm quacks you hear when you jump hen mallards.
     
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  4. Rickard

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    Callinfowl while you are probably right and I sure don't have the experience or time invested you have, on multiple occasions I have been able to talk birds into the gun while calling "quiet." It's the main reason I stick with my CWF and Hybrid. I figure if it worked more than once over a few seasons, then it might not be a complete coincidence. I have little to choose from in super quality locations and usually time my leave for hunting/weather/migrating mallards all wrong. I'll take what I can get if aggressive and loud isn't working, though I much prefer it.
     
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  5. callinfowl

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    I'm no pro by any means a far, far stretch really, so keep doing what works for you but don't be afraid to try power calling when birds are in close. Especially if there are other callers in the area that you have to compete with to get the birds in.
    The birds we shot last week would fall off line and bug out if you let up on the calling. So instead of 3 to 5 noters, we found that single quacks all the way to the shot at an alarm call cadence worked to keep them from tailing off or falling offline.
    Try it some time and see if it helps you bag a few more.:tu
    I like a call that can pretty much do it all, just in case one thing isn't working you have the ability to try other things. Which is why I have a CWF on my lanyard again this year and an Alpha has found it's way on the strings this year as well. My old Hedge Dasiy Cutter hasn't left it's spot on my call shelf since I put the new CWF and the Alpha on my lanyard. I always have a Lares ready to go, and some days one of the three calls just seems to turn more birds than the others for some reason, I like to keep my options open. :l:tu:tu:tu
     
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  6. Rickard

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    I sent callinfowl a pm related to this topic regarding power calling and my experience gunning birds in KS this year before I have to get back to the grindstone at work in FL. With his permission, I'm sharing it. I want to reiterate, I'm not a champion caller, but I love all things waterfowl and put in a lot of time behind many different calls. What I feel I hold the edge on in my hunting game I lack in calling at actual birds and utilizing some of his experience helped me continue my momentum when a main bulk of the birds pushed off my hole due to weather, mood or who knows what.

    Mr fowl,
    I have a story I wanted to share with you. It's not short, but I'll bring it together in the end if you'll bear with me... I got home from my deployment in late October, took my R and R and was able to jump in right after the season opened in KS, where I'm from originally. Like we discussed on the thread earlier this month, I hunt public land that is usually inundated with hunters and sometimes you get into calling contests. For the first week, fancy calling, which I like to do because few around here take the time to put in the work to become better than average with their calls didn't seem to matter to the birds as long as you put together quality notes. With just good technique, aggressive initial and on-the-corners cadences, I was able to keep interested birds inside my zone away from others trying desperately to highball them over and I limited pretty quickly each morning. Mostly gadwalls and mallards. Even met a few guys back in the parking area that were less than pleased with their performances over mine because they'd set up 200 yards or so away and were lucky to come away with one or two. Then, we had a front move through right before thanksgiving and push birds off of the lake I like to hunt, so what was left had been shot at so many times over the holiday weekend that they were ultra-skittish. This last Monday, I tweaked my decoy setup and tried several styles of calling, with different calls. Didn't do so hot, as in blanked out. I ended up getting the big wins Tuesday and yesterday with the Hybrid and a Committed Snubnose17 doing exactly what we talked about with the alarm quack cadence. Even got a widgeon drake and green wing teal drake in the mix which were new ones as I usually see only mallards. I think what was most interesting about the switch and what compelled me to write was that the mallard hens that were in the groups I had swinging started calling back at the exact same cadence, not quietly, and within seconds had the whole group locked in, wingtips down, feet out. It didn't happen just once, or on one day. The other species (Gaddies, widgeons, and teal) responded the same, but weren't talking. I only had 3 weeks of leave to hunt this year and get to ship home to FL quite a hefty pile of meat to put in the freezer. What a neat experience and I wanted to thank you for throwing another tool in my bag of tricks. This one definitely improved my success in the back half of my season and I'm glad I took your advice to give it a whirl. Thanks again!
     
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    As much as people think that I was blowing smoke up your azz I wasn't .I use the so called alarm cadence loud and proud, and us it often.
    Ducks aren't calling other duck into hangout and share their food and mates.
    They are bitching at the other ducks and trying to keep them away most of the time.
    So guys that are calling all mellow and happy are missing the boat on a good percentage of birds flying by. The same thing goes with geese blow that call like you are trying to keep other birds away..............it flat out works.
    Thanks again for the note.:tu
    Call me if you ever want to talk ducks or geese.
    Dan.:tu:tu:tu
     
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  8. mpkowal

    mpkowal Elite Refuge Member

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    Good advice,I rely on power calling often especially when calling Mallards and Pintails,on heavily hunted areas,it does help if you learn to read birds well, and 52 years of calling has certainly helped
    I think power calling is a great tool because most guys ate afraid to blow birds out.Also remember you can power call without being too loud.Kust speed up your cadence a little bit.
     
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  9. callinfowl

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    You got me beat by ah few years, I've only been in the game for 47 yrs.
    I learned how to blow a duck call super easy, I didn't have to work at making duck sounds very hard. The hard part was learning the hows ,whats and whens to make those sounds. It honestly took me close to 15 years to put the two together.
    I learned a lot from hunting with my best friend at the time, he's now my brother in-law.
    He taught me a bunch about finishing birds.......back then I could break them down but couldn't finish them . When the birds got inside 100 yards or so I would hand them off by saying get after'um Paul and he would finish them, this went on for years until I swallowed my pride and asked him to show/teach me what he was doing and he was more than happy to talk me through it.
    There was a guy that hunted across from us that sounded like crap, but the guy could break and finish birds like I have never seen. I was lucky enough to befriend him. That guy flat out called more birds than anyone I have ever seen, it was freaking amazing. He tought me more about reading and cadence and timing than anyone I ever hunted with....all this on a $15 Duck Commander call that sounded like crap. Since then I realized that the sound of the call has little to no effect on breaking and finishing birds. It is 100% about cadences at timing. most imporatly its about letting the birds relax as they fly over your spread and waiting until they settle down a 100 to 200 yards out before hitting them with everything you got in your lungs. Let them fly by, settle down and when the time is right hit them with a hard fast choppy come back call....it works more than it doesn't.
    The best part of calling is that you can be a world champ meat caller and that doesn't mean squat in the field, unless you know how to apply it.
    Pretty much any call on the market that sounds remotely like a duck will work and work well. You don't need to spend money on the latest and greatest calls out there, learn to use what you got, then decide if you need or want more.
    Some of the best duck callers I have seen use cheap plastic or wooden calls.
    I'm talk'in under $35 for these calls.
    A lot of people think that there is a magic flute or raspy or clean tones, none of that means spit if you know when and how to apply your calling....Gods honest truth!!!
    Find a call that you run best and watch the birds and watch closely, they will tell you what and when they want to hear things.
    Once you figure that out you are well ahead of the curve.
    The thing that keeps me going are the tough days when the birds don't want to hear anything you got for them......then is when the fun begins, trying to figure out what will work on the tough days.( some days nothing works and you call is better left in your pocket)
    You never stop learning as long as you are smart enough to recognize what the birds are telling you with their body language.
    This is why I love duck and goose calling as much as I do.
    I hope you pile them high this season, I know we will be trying to get a few.
    Dan:tu:tu:tu
    Typed on my phone sorry about the mistakes.
     
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    Really good stuff guys. Far to often I have backed off birds who were committed and ended up loosing them.
     
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