4 years doing what? hunting? No public records? A simple Google search: west nile sage grouse http://www.google.com/search?q=west...ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=ie7&rlz=1I7ADBF_en Take your pick Heres a couple by a very respected name in the sage grouse field on energy development http://www.uppergreen.org/library/docs/NAmConf_Braun.pdf ftp://ftp-fc.sc.egov.usda.gov/WY/Sa...ent-in-Wyoming-s-Upper-Green-River-Valley.pdf There is a TON of literature out there on this stuff. Look up the Upper Green River and the grouse... Thats a popular area for habitat loss and alteration from the development. What if I knew an "oldtimer" that lived in area X for his whole life that tells me that Bigfoot runs around on his land for as long as he can remember... Does that make it true?? Again, hear-say... See here lies the problem. Locals find dead birds or see lower numbers and have nothing or no one else to blame it on becaseu they just dont know the other aspects of the grouse (habitat use, both winter and summer, survival rates, reproductive rates, disease, etc. other than "Those sage hens are out in that pasture all the time...") so they tell people what they think happened and of course other locals just dont know any different so they believe them... When you have proof that researchers are killing all these birds, aside from what Rancher Leroy says, then I would say you have an argument.