First WaterfowlFool: You make some great points, I learned much the same way you did. I think part of the problem is that we in the west don't want the headaches you have, and if somebody from the east coast comes here and makes an ad in our back yard it's feels a little rude. That guy reaps benefits, in my opinion the locals that hunt there get the shaft. We are going to have the same problems you have soon enough without professional help. That being said, upon some reflection, I think I probably have been a little harsh on quides. Jeff is doing his dream. I just worry that as more and more guys decide to pursue that dream, that were will be less and less available to everyday hunters (by that I mean someone who isn't paying a guide). Maybe all serious duckhunters should be guides and pack around clients (I think that would be a disaster). Have I wanted to do guided trips, sure. For the first time in my life I feel like I could without detracting from my families financial future. For a long time it wasn't even on the radar. Maybe in the future I will do a guided hunt, we'll see. I have at least one good friend who is about to enter the guiding foray, hes got a lot of talent and enthusiasm, this has been what he's wanted to for a long time. In spite of my concerns I would like to see him succeed, he's a great guy and someone I hope to hunt with for a long time (may not if he gets too busy). Guiding really was never intended to be the focus of this thread and I'm just as guilty (or more) than anyone for letting it stray. I apologize to Jeff for any inappropriate criticism. I admit that as things stand now, maybe I'm out of line on that, we'll see how it plays out over time. I am not going to touch the guide issue anymore, other than to continue to applaud Idaho duck hunters for being adamantly against it, that makes this state truly unique. I appreciate what your saying. I can't say I'm completely convinced that some areas of commercial enterprise won't eventually damage the sport. But I think enough good arguments have been made that I will watch carefully, reserve some judgement. Perhaps someday I'll take a guided hunt and see what it's like. If you're out this way some time let me know and we can meet and talk, have a beer, and who knows maybe shoot a duck or so. The same goes for Jeff. I wouldn't even have a problem with the cameras so long as it didn't end up on the screen on my TV or computer. BandMan: Although it has been hit here and there, the intent was never to discuss whether people should be able to hunt out of state. They can, I will, it's legal. Yes, occasionally feathers get ruffled. Mine do just about every time I see a CA or NV plate at the ramp, at least momentarily. It was more to voice concern that commercial film, that are essentially advertising someone's product, are leading to increases in pressure from out of state (or in state if you want) that wouldn't necessarily exist without their presence. So if have led you down an unintended path, my bad. Also, again, I don't really have a problem with filming on private ground for commercial stuff. I personally feel that it's a different animal. Public ground is a special thing, accessible to all, but too much all at once is not a good thing. Salthunter: I'm pretty sure that companies that manufacture products have a great variety of ways they can advertise their product. Honestly, I think the internet sells more gear than anything. I'm not knocking guys making calls, boats, whatever, I love 'em. When I bought my GT and MB setup last year it's because of a lot of net research. I think they would sell plenty even without the vids. For MB and GT (and I'm not a prostaffer with anyone fellas) I can tell that their product and service sell itself. Word of mouth still carries a lot of weight. For those who continue to want to ridicule the post as the best advertising in the world (and maybe just in fun). I agree the internet is twice as bad, get's more exposure. But given the intended focus on this thread is a concern to people in our state and other states, I feel it would be an error to not discuss this issue. Maybe there is nothing to do about, we'll just have to hope for the best. I doubt those with vested interest would ever admit culpability, but if they are the ambassadeurs of the sport that they are often portrayed as, maybe they would self regulate or consider some way of a s. In fairness, I'm not sure how to best go about measuring the real impact of these films. I only have my experience to go on. My intent is not to advertise but to engage. It's clear that local organization's don't feel that it's a fight that winnable or appropriate, and perhaps they're correct. Maybe a cooperative understanding, unwritten, between those that have financial interests and those who don't is all that is needed. A sort of gentlemans agreement. I believe that Jeff is honest when he says that he believes that these videos are about sharing information with others, but I just don't see how the locals here in Idaho are going to benefit. I think anybody making the films, in the end, whether they admit or not, understand that their videos can impact where hunters go. Most likely Jeff was hoping for Bel Air, MD, and so am I.