I have been on a couple guided snow goose hunts, and even a time or 2 for honkers in the fall. The snow goose hunts I've been on were not shellburners, but I still would have felt like a real a hole telling the guide not to shoot. I expected him to shoot. Not singles or pairs, but really honestly, if there were more birds than hunters, I didn't feel like he was doing me some huge disservice by shooting, too. We actually told him to shoot more on more than one occasion. I guess that's where you have to make a distinction, and all I'm doing is paying to have someone do the logistics. Find the field, get decoys to the field, that sort of thing. Not be my servant. When I go to hunt with a buddy and he does all of this work, I reciprocate by taking him on a hunt, where I do the work. The work that goes into a successful hunt takes time and $$ whether I hire a guide or not. If I hire a guide, I am paying for his hard work, and he is a much bigger part of the hunt than I. So if he wants to swat cripples or shoot his birds or shoot at all during the CO, I expect that. I prefer to think of the guide as another buddy in the field with me. If a buddy takes me on a hunt and I shoot my limit, would I not expect him to pick up a gun and shoot at some point? Some of you sound like the people that go to restaurants and expect your serve to actually serve you. Maybe on hand and knee even. I find you usually get the best service when you treat people like your equal. But maybe I'm wrong... I just know when the honker hunting gets good in Rochester, I have more than one guide with my number calling me and telling me to get my butt down there..