The Witch Hunt is Finding Some Witches

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  1. Matagorda Bound

    Matagorda Bound Senior Refuge Member

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    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...operate-with-government-sources-idUSKCN1II2YM

    If this guy has a public defender that means he has no money. So he went from being business partner with Manafort making big bucks to not being able to afford a lawyer.

    I am guessing that the son in law doesn't have much loyalty to him anymore.
     
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    Native NV Ducker Mod-Duck Hunters Forum, Classifieds, and 2 others Moderator Flyway Manager

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    Jeffrey Yohai, a former business partner of Manafort, was divorced from Manafort’s daughter last August.

    EX-Son in law
     
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  3. Matagorda Bound

    Matagorda Bound Senior Refuge Member

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    I doubt the Feds have much interest in what the son in law has been doing in the past 8 months. They're looking for older, more interesting things.
     
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    Who cares.
     
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    More fine reporting from the MSM.

    "Citing people with knowledge of the matter....."

    Really....would they "Cite people with no knowledge of the matter?"

    Oh, wait....they routinely do........
     
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    LOL - ya - they're looking for older, more interesting things from 2005 and 2006! Nothing to do with Trump or Collusion. Just straws to grasp onto and hand out to the ilk like you in order to show something for their Investigation...

    Well, um - no - we didn't find any evidence of collusion... Um, but, um, well, I know! Here - we got this - listen to this! Back in 2012 AND 2013 Manafort did fail to report his statement from a foreign bank account on his Federal Tax return! He included the income but did not include the statement - FOR TWO WHOLE YEARS! So we will be fining him for that! So there!
     
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    Knowing someone is guilty is one thing. Being able to prove it in court is another. In a case such as Manafort, Gates, Russia and involves a president it can be even harder because they do not want to compromise their source(s). So they need someone to turn. I doubt Manafort will turn on Trump as he will hide behind a pardon. Does anyone really believe Manfort is not neck deep in Russian mob activities? He's just a guy in the wrong place at the wrong time trying to make a buck. :rolleyes:
     
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    JFK WAS MOBBED UP.
     
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    LOL. :l I believe Manafort's involvement was with the Ukraine. So if their is collusion between the 2016 Trump campaign & the Ukraine - Mueller will find it! :l
     
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    You mean these kind of witches? (And sourcing the WSJ just for hart's pleasure no less.....).

    Our PF civil libertarians should be screaming this one from the rooftops - but I have been gone for a bit and could have missed their numerous posts lamenting this issue.

    The FBI Informant Who Wasn’t Spying
    A secret source insinuated himself with Trump campaign officials. Ho hum.

    By The Editorial Board
    Updated May 20, 2018 9:53 p.m. ET

    Well, what do you know. The Federal Bureau of Investigation really did task an “informant” to insinuate himself with Trump campaign advisers in 2016. Our Kimberley Strasselreported this two weeks ago without disclosing a name.

    We now have all but official confirmation thanks to “current and former government officials” who contributed to apologias last week in the New York Times and Washington Post. And please don’t call the informant a “spy.” A headline on one of the Times’ stories says the “F.B.I. Used Informant to Investigate Russia Ties to Campaign, Not to Spy, as Trump Claims.”

    We’ll let readers parse that casuistic distinction, which is part of a campaign by the FBI and Justice Department to justify their refusal to turn over to the House Intelligence Committee documents related to the informant. Justice and the FBI claim this Capitol Hill oversight would blow the cover of this non-spy and even endanger his life. Yet these same stories have disclosed so many specific details about the informant whom we dare not call a spy that you can discover the name of the likeliest suspect in a single Google search.

    We now know, for example, that the informant is “an American academic who teaches in Britain” who “served in previous Republican administrations.” He has worked as a “longtime U.S. intelligence source” for the FBI and the CIA.

    The stories provide the names of the three Trump campaign officials who the informant sought to court— Carter Page, Sam Clovis and George Papadopoulos —as well as specific dates and details of the encounters. He met with Mr. Page at a symposium at a “British university” in “mid-July,” and stayed in touch with him for more than year. He met with Mr. Clovis at a “hotel café in Crystal City,” Virginia, on “either Aug. 31 or Sept. 1.”

    The informant didn’t previously know the three men but offered to help with the campaign. He also threw money at Mr. Papadopoulos, and the stories even report the exact language of the message the informant sent to Mr. Papadopoulos offering him a $3,000 honorarium to write a research paper and a paid trip to London. Media accounts differ about whether the informant asked the three men what they knew about Russia. But this sure sounds like a classic attempt to make friends for intelligence-gathering purposes.

    This ought to disturb anyone who wants law enforcement and U.S. intelligence services to stay out of partisan politics. We can’t recall a similar case, even in the J. Edgar Hoover days, when the FBI decided it needed to snoop on a presidential campaign. Devin Nunes, the House Intelligence Chairman, is seeking documents to learn exactly what happened, what triggered this FBI action, and how it was justified. This is precisely the kind of oversight that Congress should provide to assure Americans that their government isn’t spying illegally.

    Yet now the same people who lionized Edward Snowden for stealing secrets about metadata—which collected phone numbers, not names—claim the FBI informant is no big deal. James Clapper, Barack Obama’s Director of National Intelligence, claims it was even a “good thing” that the FBI was monitoring the campaign for Russian influence.

    Forgive us if we don’t trust Mr. Clapper, who leaked details related to the notorious Steele dossier to the press, as a proper judge of such snooping. Would he and the press corps be so blasé if the FBI under George W. Bush had sought to insinuate sources with Obama supporters like Rev. Jeremiah Wright or radical Bill Ayers during the 2008 campaign?

    Incredibly, Democrats and their media friends are painting Mr. Nunes as the villain for daring even to ask about all this. Mark Warner, the ranking Democrat on the Senate Intelligence Committee, is making the rounds warning that “the first thing any new” committee member “learns is the critical importance of protecting sources and methods.”

    Sure, but as far as we know Mr. Nunes hasn’t disclosed the source’s name—certainly not to us—even as anonymous Justice officials all but paint a neon path of details to the informant’s door. Justice and the FBI have disclosed more to their media Boswells than they have to the people’s representatives in Congress.

    ***
    As is his habit, President Trump belly-flopped into this debate over the weekend with demands that Justice investigate whether his campaign was spied on. Justice officials quickly asked the Inspector General to investigate, and this will polarize the political debate even further.

    But the stakes here go beyond Mr. Trump’s political future. The public deserves to know who tasked the informant to seek out Trump campaign officials, what his orders were, what the justification was for doing so, and who was aware of it. Was the knowledge limited to the FBI, or did it run into the Obama White House?

    As important, what are the standards for the future? Could a Trump FBI task agents to look into the foreign ties of advisers to the Bernie Sanders presidential campaign in 2020? Attorney General Jeff Sessions and Deputy AG Rod Rosenstein need to clear the air by sharing what they and the FBI know with the House. This is bigger than blowing a source whose identity Justice leakers have already blown. This is about public trust in the FBI and Justice.

    Appeared in the May 21, 2018, print edition as 'The Informant Who Wasn’t Spying.'
     

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