It's not that bad. Hell, me and 3 other guys limited out on mallards today. We worked every group down to the water. The other people that were in the area let the birds work. You just have to get away from Rend and Carlyle. Don't get me wrong, I'll visit those places a few times a year too, but there are public places in So Ill that you can get away from the yahoos and have a good time. You just have to do some homework.