Too late for dove fields?

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  1. cancan

    cancan Elite Refuge Member

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    sad and old:rolleyes:keep up with the name calling...your making yourself look real good.

    up in my country huh...still bitter after well over 100 years....just sad
     
  2. olduckhunter

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    can, i've never been bitter towards anyone here on the fudge including you. but i wonder why you won't admit that mm and i are right as for the sowing of wheat and hunting doves over it being legal where we live here in the south. that's all i wonder along with wondering if you even took the time to read the regulations he posted. in our part of the world it's a normal ag practice. i farmed all my life and for years i had wheat flown on in my cotton stalks for to make pasture for the cattle. i've spread wheat on top with a fertilizer buggy lots of years and if you are wondering if i hunted over it, i didn't. i quit dove hunting a long long time ago because when a person can't get anymore than 5 with a box of shells he's better off at home. so i don't hunt doves.


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  3. cancan

    cancan Elite Refuge Member

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    Then why all the childish name calling?

    i dont need to admitt anything because i dont know your right or wrong yet....i have a call in to my cousin and uncle in Little Rock to see if they can ask...I also farm...grew up on a produce farm and now grow trees and specialty crops.....

    i have no hard feelings just the name calling is over the top and not called for. And the only one coming off angry is the guy who hasnt been called any childish names.....I will let you know when i hear back from Little Rock.
     
  4. drewsmith

    drewsmith Elite Refuge Member

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    Here is a great read from Tennesse fish and wildlife.

    Can I legally hunt doves over top sown winter wheat? Yes, provided the wheat has been sown as a normal agricultural practice such as a grain crop, cover crop, pasture renovation, soil erosion control or wildlife winter food plot and conforms with the UT Agricultural Extension Service guidelines.

    Must wheat be sown on prepared ground? No. Winter wheat is often no-till drilled into unprepared ground. Also, top sowing of winter grains in certain non-grain producing agricultural situations such as soil erosion control, and overseeding wheat or rye prior to harvesting soybeans, corn or cotton to establish a cover crop are recognized as normal agricultural practices in Tennessee. However, only for these specific situations listed above would it be legal to hunt doves over winter grains sown on unprepared ground.

    Can I sow a wheat field several times, say every three days, and shoot over it? No. It is not a bona fide agricultural practice to sow grain several times in quick succession. In the absence of drought or flood, a planting should be done only one time on a seed bed prepared sufficiently to reasonably ensure germination.

    After a corn field is harvested and the entire field or strips are plowed up and planted in wheat, is this considered a legal field for dove hunting? Yes, if done as a bona fide agricultural practice.

    Can part of a field be bushhogged at different times, such as four rows now and four rows later, and so on? Yes. Manipulating a standing crop in this fashion is the most reliable way to attract doves over a longer period of time and to avoid any uncertainty regarding legality of the practice to attract doves for hunting.

    Can standing grains be bushhogged and additional grains be added to the field? No.

    Can millet or sunflowers be top sown? No. Millet, corn, sunflower, milo, and many other grains are planted only in the spring. Refer to UT Agricultural Extension Service publication #PB378 for recommended planting dates and seeding rates.

    Can I top sow (broadcast) wheat over an unprepared pasture? No. Winter wheat is not normally sown over pastures with adequate vegetative cover.

    Can I plant a wildlife food plot in the fall and shoot doves that are attracted to it? Provided that fall-sown seeds and recommended planting rates and dates as published in the Field Crops Seeding Guide (UT Agricultural Extension publication #PB378) have been used in planting the wildlife plot, it is legal to shoot doves that may be attracted to the plot.

    Can I harvest a corn, milo or sunflower field and then redistribute the seed over the field? No. You cannot distribute or scatter grain or other feed once it has been removed from or stored on the field where grown.

    While it might be legal if done correctly, 95% of the people reading this will not have the equipment or knowledge to broadcast wheat legally.
     
  5. MALLARD MAGICIAN

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    WOW...that is cutting A LOT of folks awful short.... Sowing wheat at a legal rate is NOT rocket science, hell dumb ol' farm boys have been gettin' it done for quite a few years now.:yes
     
  6. cancan

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    I still am waiting on calls from the feds....im in no way saying ya'll are wrong but ive just been informed otherwise irreguardless of locale.....plus the fact that this has to be done as an ag practice and not a "make your hunting spot better practice"

    I did find this .....dont know if the original poster is a farmer or his question was in order to raise and harvest a crop....sounded more like he wanted to do a "dove field" just for the purpose of hunting....see blue lines

    Planting and Harvesting

    Planted seeds and grains that have not sprouted are very attractive to doves. Lands planted by means of top-sowing or aerial seeding can be hunted where seeds are present solely as the result of a normal agricultural planting or normal soil stabilization practice.A normal agricultural planting is a planting undertaken for the purpose of producing and gathering a crop. Normal plantings do not involve the placement of grain in piles or other concentrations. Plantings must follow official USDA recommendations. Relevant factors include recommended planting dates, proper seed distribution, seed bed preparation, application rate, and seed viability.

    A normal soil stabilization practice is a planting for agricultural soil erosion control or post-mining land reclamation conducted in accordance with official recommendations of USDA State Extension Specialists of the Cooperative State Research, Education, and Extension Service.

    Seeds remaining on the surface of the ground from planting wildlife food plots, planting a "dove field," or planting for erosion control on a construction site are examples of activities that constitute baiting since they are not plantings undertaken for the purpose of producing and gathering a crop, agricultural soil erosion control, or post-mining land reclamation. You cannot hunt any migratory game bird, including doves, over such areas.

    The harvest of grain crops such as corn, wheat, milo, sorghum, millet, sunflower, and buckwheat also attracts doves. You can hunt doves that gather in such fields as long as any grain on the ground is present solely as the result of a normal agricultural harvest. You can also hunt doves over a field that has been manipulated after a normal harvest and removal of grain (i.e., post-harvest manipulation).


    here is the whole reg http://wildlife.tamu.edu/publications/USFWS/DoveHuntingandBaiting.html
     
  7. olduckhunter

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    can, would you point out to me and any others here that might be interested where i called you a bad name? a child because you wouldn't read the federal law on baiting and take it as just that, the law. and when someone else posted what their game warden said about top sowing wheat being ok to hunt over because it is a normal ag practice. what is it that you cannot understand that down here, i'm not talking about where you live, down here things may be a tad different in the way we farm and top sowing wheat is done a lot. and i didn't appreciate the nasty pm.



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  8. cancan

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    my pm wasnt nasty and i even called you "brother"....get over yourself!



    you just made the ignore list....first time i ever used it....Bu-bye:clap
     
  9. olduckhunter

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    can, i don't know how that works but maybe you can still read this if you can read. all i've said and at least two others here have told you is what the federal law is on top sowing wheat and hunting over it and how it is considered legal in our area. your area may be different because of different parts of the country having different farming methods and crops. all you had to do was read and comprehend which you refuse to do. and you know what that means. yes, you know, you know. and i hope you have a wonderful dove hunt and a legal one. i don't hunt them.

    and i did consider the pm nasty.


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