Training Question

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  1. Hogleg

    Hogleg Senior Refuge Member

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    Thanks for the post gents! She's Cc'd to here. Didn't want to knick her but she is CCd to here. Will definitely work on having some fun during/with F2F.

    Appreciate you taking the time!
     
  2. EvanG

    EvanG Elite Refuge Member

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    First things first. She MUST come when called ... FIRST. Then clean up any other problems. A retriever that won't come when called isn't a retriever. It's just a 'go getter'.

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    Doc E Elite Refuge Member Sponsor

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    No, she's not CC to Here . If she was, there would have been no reason to nick.

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    But Doc that's a key point so many people miss - even experienced trainers! You're right though. If she were truly CC'd to Here she would prefer to come, and not be challenging it. It's not the same thing as simply having the tool to use.

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    bozeman Elite Refuge Member

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    Cornerstone Gundog Academy has been a big help for me.....new lab owner myself......wish you the best!
     
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  6. Hogleg

    Hogleg Senior Refuge Member

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    Well, I followed Smartwork for CC to here. Had no issues with here command until I tried a mark during Force Fetch.

    Believe me I understand the importance of OB.
     
  7. Hogleg

    Hogleg Senior Refuge Member

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    If a dog should never need a nick after being cc'd to here why are we to make sure they always have a collar on after cc'ing them?

    Not being a wiseguy, honest question.
     
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    I followed Smartworks and collar conditioned to here. My pup is 1 1/2 years old and while her recall is excellent I will on rare occasions use the collar to reinforce "here". I use low continuous pressure until I see the dog is committed to the recall. I use a moment when she is distracted to reinforce the recall. I have taught it, forced it and I occasionally reinforce it as part of our routine training.

    Like most people my pup is my buddy. I use the least amount of pressure that will do the job and always try to be fair with my dog. The more I train the more aware I am of this fairness. Just to be very clear, this is something I do rarely, and with low pressure, to maintain our standard.
     
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    I'm not sure why that assumption was made, but you certainly may need to support your commands. That is why you train with the collar on - along with keeping your dog from becoming needlessly collar wise. But collar conditioning is a part of the training process, which includes conditioning to pressure. A dog that has been soundly taught a command, and then pressure conditioned to respond to it has been formally trained in that command. That means it is likely that corporal support of that command should be rare. It also means that supporting that command should not be a battle, but rather quickly settled.

    NOTE: I almost never use continuous to support any command after the dog has been conditioned. I almost exclusively use nicks. The level is one I determine during conditioning, but may be changed according to need. We use pressure to change behavior. If I nick a dog on low level 2 and he doesn't change behavior, I increase pressure immediately in most cases. What I don't do is nag the dog with repeated applications of low pressure that he doesn't respond to.

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  10. Hogleg

    Hogleg Senior Refuge Member

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    This comment by Doc E, to which you agreed, is why I asked the question.
     

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