Training Question

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  1. EvanG

    EvanG Elite Refuge Member

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    Why no marks?

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  2. Hogleg

    Hogleg Senior Refuge Member

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    The one time we tried she would not come to me with the bumper, but would try to hide with it.
     
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    Doc E Elite Refuge Member Sponsor

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    And that was because of a couple things --- what are they ?

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  4. Hogleg

    Hogleg Senior Refuge Member

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    Bugging - pressure avoidance
     
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    EvanG Elite Refuge Member

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    During marks? What pressure was there?

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  6. Doc E

    Doc E Elite Refuge Member Sponsor

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    Keep trying.

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    Any other ideas yet ?

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    Hogleg Senior Refuge Member

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    Sorry, been on the road. No pressure during the marks.

    Don't know the answer.
     
  9. KwickLabs

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    With young retrievers pressure is a perception which may not be from the trainer's perspective. Whenever the behavior of
    a pup is not productive it is simple to assume something is out of balance. Experience is useful but not always "there".
    Which means finding a way to get the pup back in balance. Pro trainer Julie Knutson came up with a good description of
    balance. It consists of five factors - birdiness, retrieving, focus, control and responsiveness. Add to those Hillmann's primary
    component that everything needs to be driven by fun and balance becomes more attainable. So the answer is based on
    how well you work at having fun in balancing the factors.

    For example, if all you are doing is FF.......the pup is likely to be out of balance. AND he is not likely to think you are all that
    much fun to be with (or do things for). Responsiveness is a two-way street. Be creative and make some "stuff" fun. No fun
    means everything is work which is not the way to start a pup. Learning to work and liking it is a process.

    With Hillmann's program everything is done as a rewarding game (including FF). The fact is any program is fun for a pup if
    the trainer does what the pup needs with balance in mind. And you do need to "know the answer". No one on here can see
    you and the pup interact. This makes providing solutions rather hapless without actually having a true perspective. Make a list of
    the things you do that fit into "birdiness, retrieving, focus, control and responsiveness". Are you "matching up" and doing all
    of those in an exciting, fun manner? Your pup needs you to do just that.
     
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    Let me hazard a couple of possibilities as to why your dog did what it did.
    1. You haven't completed FF, so you had no way of making a correction
    2. The "HERE" command has not been instilled.

    Also, read Kwick's post (2 or 3 times). Do something fun after the FF session. Go for a walk in a field and let the pup do some exploring, or whatever you can come up with (no retrieves) that are fun for the dog.

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