Trump helping veterans

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  1. hobbydog

    hobbydog Elite Refuge Member

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    They backtracked fast on that one. Money has been restored to the program.
     
  2. API

    API Political Action Forum Moderator Flyway Manager

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    I have to call BS. If one seriously "asks" (I have asked and have visited Vet homeless programs plus donated money), the majority of homeless vets are in that condition because of poor life decisions.

    Translation: They failed themselves. The government didn't fail them. For sure the VA didn't do much in the way of reaching out during the 60's, 70's, 80's, etc, but that changed several years ago.

    Violin playing aside, homeless Vets are just like any other portion of that segment of society. Too, dang near every community has a program to assist homeless. The issues are about whether or not homeless programs assist folks to step up and improve their situation versus enabling them to continue the homeless lifestyle. Most reputable homeless programs require that candidates sign up to participate with an understanding that they are expected to achieve specific milestones within a specific timeframe. Otherwise, they are out. Its a choice thing.
    Regardless of the recent fire storm...

    https://www.va.gov/opa/pressrel/pressrelease.cfm?id=3985
     
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    Hey API, poor life decisions is much different then living that way because they want to. According to the clinicians in our programs that assisted the homeless, including veterans, they indicated that clinical mental health issues interfered with homeless, including veterans, ability to stay on the continuum that assistance programs offered. That's a far cry from the homeless "choosing" to live that life. Now, do you think the government clinical programs effectively addressed veterans clinical mental health issues?
     
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    Doesn't make any difference eel. The money has been restored and Trump has promised even more in his 2018 budget. All those that said that it was a great idea and #winning are now quietly back on another topic rather than expressing outrage over the flip flop on this issue. I don't have a strong opinion one way or the other, maybe allow more choice on how the VA spends the money was the right thing to do. The administration has been debating this for over a month. They make a bold decision and then withdraw it quickly. But oh well, lets go wag the dog in another part of the world.
     
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  5. API

    API Political Action Forum Moderator Flyway Manager

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    Regardless of the mechanism of causative factors, the salient response issues are always about "what" and "how much" factored with the probability of success. Imagine trying to sell a program centered upon enabling failure.

    Resources are always scarce and service level less than 100%. The opportunities for improvement are most likely to be realized when the unfortunate ones are committed to achieving improvement.

    For the incapable ones... the more resources provided, the more the system is exploited by the wily and devious effectively crowding out the incapable. It really comes down to utility and the marginal value of spending that next scarce resource.

    Still... in the defense of compensation for honorably discharged veterans, they did make a contribution that earned something.
     

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