WDFW Answers through the WAG 2017-2018

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  1. john4wdh

    john4wdh Elite Refuge Member

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    Prepared by: Kyle Spragens, July 16, 2017
    WDFW Waterfowl Section Manager
    (who prepares these presentations for the citizen Waterfowl Advisory Group (WAG) and for the WDFW Commission).

    [OP Note: I posted separately here because of the high interest, and will also be posting in the standing thread, WDFW Answers Through the WAG.]

    1. Northern Pintail bag-limits:

    a. Pintail harvest regulation is managed at a national-level; all flyways and states are entering into a 1-pintail bag limit during the 2017-18 waterfowl season.

    1. Pacific Flyway is the most liberal in terms of the number of days harvest potential (107-days), but also has the highest concentrations of harvest in primary pintail wintering regions.

    2. Pintail harvest in Washington are of mixed breeding area origin. There is no clear biased from Alaska segment of the breeding population. This is supported by band recovery distribution, meaning Washington’s harvest of pintail is influenced by conditions throughout Alaska and Canada… on both the western and eastern sides of the state!

    3. Therefore, creating an “intra-flyway (inter-state) differential harvest strategy” would not be supported by the population structure of the species (i.e. pintail are a meta-population, meaning their wintering areas represent inter-mixing of breeding area stocks).

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    4. The 1-bird bag limit was triggered by the pintail population estimate derived from the 2016 Waterfowl Breeding Population & Habitat Survey (WBPHS), and would have been applied this past season in the former timing of regulatory setting… There is a decision matrix (below) that determines the regulatory strategy for the pintail bag limit; there are three options, L2 = liberal season and 2-bird bag (the max possible), L1 = liberal season with 1-bird daily bag limit, or closure.

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    5. Last year’s pintail population estimate was 2.62 million, well below the 4 million population objective (dashed line), and we are currently in a 4-year decreasing run of estimates; this estimate puts us in the L1 option by 80,000 birds (or 3%).

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    6. The Pacific Flyway Study Committee (state and federal technical partnership) is working with the regulatory entities such as the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service (USFWS) and other partners to work towards a forecast-type model for pintail that would smooth out the lag in regulatory implementation, but this type of harvest strategy does not exist yet, and will require time to assess and gain support.
     

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  2. Billy Bob

    Billy Bob Elite Refuge Member

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    Sounds like more political babble to me. Seeing the migration of pintails through this area (west side) year after year tell me that a substantial amount (as in most) come from north of the border, so do the pintail bands I have.
     
  3. Honkerclan08

    Honkerclan08 Washington forum Moderator

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    I will say, I saw less pintails in Eastern WA and my old stomping grounds on the west side.
     
  4. wingmatt

    wingmatt Elite Refuge Member

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    I usually hunt two large areas (one in skagit county and one in snohomish county), and there have been lots of pintails for several years now. My percentage of PTs is usually 15% of my overall bag (and would be higher if the limit was more than 2). I hunt most years for a week in the Potholes area, and while we get an occasional PT, they have never been as plentiful in that one area in the 20 years I've hunted it. But that is a smaller specific area than over on the W side.
     
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    Billy Bob Elite Refuge Member

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    The first 4-6 weeks of season my bag could be 100% pintails. It can get so bad that we have to pic other birds out of the flocks of pins and not intentionally shoot pins in case of mistakes. After that period they could easily be 25%+ of the bag.
     
  6. boodog

    boodog Senior Refuge Member

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    Almost the same for me the past 3 years outside of Othello-however, most days I could limit out on pintails until the season end.
     
  7. RXHzfx

    RXHzfx Senior Refuge Member

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    Thanks for posting... I personally won't complain that there is an effort to protect a species, one hunter puts in 30+ days afield and he's an expert on populations? come on... you guys should go hunt that river of tears your crying, maybe it's holdin some divers for you to shoot instead...
     
  8. wingmatt

    wingmatt Elite Refuge Member

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    I'd like to be polite in replying, but I won't. You don't know what you are talking about. We are talking about MANY hunters getting MANY pintails, and passing up shot on MANY other pintail, over MANY seasons. Not sure where you get your info .... maybe you don't get many in SW Wa, or maybe you only hunt a couple times a year or on the internet?
     
  9. Honkerclan08

    Honkerclan08 Washington forum Moderator

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    It will be frustrating at times but it's been 1 pintail before and we survived. I don't see the one pintail limit making or breaking a hunt or a hunting season. Hopefully this is just short term and we can have 2 pintails again.
     
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  10. RXHzfx

    RXHzfx Senior Refuge Member

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    I understand, precisely sir!!! It SUCKS, when your third bird is a pintail, and then you have to be selective the rest of the day, meanwhile pintail after pintail strafe your spread... "Why can't we shoot more!?!?"

    That's it right? Do I get it, now?

    What I don't understand, is the complaining... Even after they publish data for us to see, for us to better understand... Most disregard it as BS...

    "...Over half of the pintail population in North America migrates through California. The majority of these birds winter in the Central Valley of California, but some continue south to the west coast of Mexico..."
    (Scott and Carbonell, 1986). DU website.

    WA state hosts wintering/migrating pintails from a VAST area, the masses of pintails we see are congregated to migrate and survive... after the thousands leave your sheet water honey hole they head north, disperse and breed, and they're spread TOO thin, ok? So according to data, they must restrict harvest... it's not about how MANY we see during the season!!!
     

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