Saw this thread again after researching 20 ga autos for 2 of my grandkids to use. I never did find many negative points on the SA-08 or the Mossberg SA-20. And Randy Wakeman actually like the SA-20 a lot more than the SA-08 (I know, some of you don't like Randy Wakeman ). http://www.randywakeman.com/MossWeatherbyBattleofthe20GaugesPartTwo.htm So it sounds like either is a good choice. Right now I'm leaning towards the Mossberg, as they are available in a couple spots around here whereas the SA-08s are tough to find.