Wsm ??

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  1. Doug5414

    Doug5414 Senior Refuge Member

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    I have 2 .300 Win. Mag's, but I want that .300 WSM, just because I don't have one, and is there any reason not to go buy a new rifle. I love my .300's, and have killed several whitetails and 2 bull elk with them, but my 1973 Weatherby is like toting a cannon around through the mountains. I think that new X-bolt, or Remington 700 XCR, or maybe even that new Savage will be a nice addition to my collection!:pra
     
  2. wigeonmeister

    wigeonmeister Elite Refuge Member

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    Beav, I currently work for one of the biggest Winchester ammo dealers around, and used to work for one of the biggest outdoor retailers around, and there is absolutely as much ammo and variety thereof for .300 WSM as there is for the .300 Win Mag., at least "west of the Big Muddy" and concerning the Big 3 ammo makers (Remington, Winchester, Federal).

    The down side if you're purchasing ammo commercially is that, like you said, you'll average around $10 more per box of WSM ammo. It makes little sense to me, mainly since the ammo companies put 5-10 grains less powder per round of WSM ammo, at least where it pertains to the .300 WSM. Unless brass is costing them more to produce, there is absolutely no reason why it should be that different.
     
  3. 1duckhunter

    1duckhunter Senior Refuge Member

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    I am just a simple guy here Zach, so I will try and not get in a battle of smarts with you but it seems to me the numbers speak for themselves....
    Nobody can argue that the 300 Win can get the job done on any animal in North America, but when I look at the balisitics side by side it sure seems like the 270wsm would do it just as well with a whole lot less recoil...

    hers the numbers straight from the Federal website

    270 WSM
    140 Accubond 3200 muzzle velocity, 2624@ 300 yards, 2278@ 500 yards
    3183 muzzle energy, 2140@ 300 yards, 1613@ 500 yards
    -9.2 inches @ 300 yards with a 100 yard zero
    300 WIN
    180 Accubond 2960 muzzle velocity, 2424@ 300 yards, 2100@ 500 yards
    3502 muzzle energy, 2348@ 300 yards, 1763@ 500 yards
    -11.2 inches @ 300 yards with a 100 yard zero

    Im just a simpleton, but it sure seems like it might be easier to be more accurate with the 270 WSM since im not getting the snot kicked out of me by a 300 WIN while still having plenty of energy at 500 yards to get the job done?
     
  4. Waterproof

    Waterproof Elite Refuge Member

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    I bolded your problem 1duckhunter. Zach has stated over and over again, that he only uses and believes information that is on Remington's website. No matter if there are better/lighter/shorter guns and cheaper/faster/harder hitting ammunition out there. If it isn't made by Big Green, he has no use for it, well except for his thousand dollar plus custom gun, that he keeps bringing up to attempt to help validify his claims as well.

     
  5. 1duckhunter

    1duckhunter Senior Refuge Member

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    Waterproof.....
    It seems like that argument would work out even worse for him, if I go to the "Remigton site" now instead of just having comparable balisitics I have superior balisitics??? He must have more $$$ than brains!

    Cartridge Information
    Index Number Cartridge Type Weight (grs.) Bullet Style Primer No. Ballistic Coefficient
    PRA270WSMB Premier? AccuTip? 150 AccuTip? Boat Tail 9 1/2 M 0.525
    PRA300WC Premier? AccuTip? 180 AccuTip? Boat Tail 9 1/2 M 0.481


    Velocity (ft/sec)
    Cartridge Type Bullet Muzzle 100 200 300 400 500
    Premier? AccuTip? 150 AT BT 3160 2972 2792 2618 2452 2291
    Premier? AccuTip? 180 AT BT 2960 2764 2577 2397 2224 2058


    Energy (ft-lbs)
    Cartridge Type Bullet Muzzle 100 200 300 400 500
    Premier? AccuTip? 150 AT BT 3325 2941 2595 2283 2002 1748
    Premier? AccuTip? 180 AT BT 3501 3053 2653 2295 1976 1693


    Short-Range Trajectory
    Cartridge Type Bullet 50 100 150 200 250 300
    Premier? AccuTip? 150 AT BT -0.1 0.5 zero -1.5 -4.1 -8.0
    Premier? AccuTip? 180 AT BT 0.1 0.6 zero -1.8 -4.9 -9.5


    Long-Range Trajectory
    Cartridge Type Bullet 100 150 200 250 300 400 500
    Premier? AccuTip? 150 AT BT 2.1 2.5 1.8 zero -3.0 -12.8 -28.5
    Premier? AccuTip? 180 AT BT 1.5 1.4 zero -2.7 -6.8 -19.6 -39.5
     
  6. Zach Byron

    Zach Byron Senior Refuge Member

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    For a "simpleton" that's a great find. I would say that you are correct and the .270 WSM will be more than enough at 500 yards, I hope you enjoy shooting yours!:tu
     
  7. britlab64

    britlab64 Senior Refuge Member

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    This has been a very interesting read. HOWEVER back to the original question. I shoot both the 300 win mag and the 300 wsm . As far as comparision FOR MY PARTICULAR hunting style I love the 300wsm by far. Mostly whitetails with fairly common 300 + yrd shots . I particularly like the shorter bbl length because mostly hunting out of shooting houses in the carolinas. As far as accuracy haven't lost a thing between the two. However I seem to walk and carry a rifle more than I shoot it so Yes lighter and shorter are a big plus for me. I may be a little one sided because I do prefer the brownings. Ha !! Ha !! But since I own 2 of each caliber I think I have a pretty good comparision . Browning is definately lefty friendly. No arguing just as original question wanted an OPINION .
     
  8. wigeonmeister

    wigeonmeister Elite Refuge Member

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    Not any longer. Their X-Bolts are not presently being made in a lefty model.
     
  9. Cryfowl

    Cryfowl Senior Refuge Member

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    I shoot a .270 WSM and love it. It's a flat shooting gun. But in reality a .22 will kill an Elk with a well placed shot, but who would actaully do that?
     
  10. Honker Hammer

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    I have a .270 WSM as well and love it. I really think it's the perfect all around gun. Plenty for reasonable range elk and not too big in the smaller bullets for antelope. Perfect for whitetails as well. If there wasn't so many 270s out there right now, I'd say they're on their way out.
     

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