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Discussion in 'World News / Current Events Forum' started by Bear, Mar 20, 2014.
Well...yeah...they "voted". Kinda-sorta.
As I recall the results were over 97% in favor of Putin's little land-grab. Photo's taken during this "free" election seemed to be full of armed militia in the streets I noticed. How strange...
Kim Jong Un pulled in 100% of the vote in his last election as well.
Look...Putin wants/has wanted these Black Sea ports back for some time. It's more a point of pride...very little military significance. This port has been 'theirs' since the time of Catherine the great.
How this plays out now from this point with the Ukraine? Any naval confrontation that develops will pit a weak Russian force against a mostly nonexistent Ukrainian fleet.
The real issue is this...Putin didn't pull this during Obama's first term. Then got ol' Barack to 'deep-six' proposed missile defense sites in Poland and the Czech Republic before his second term. THEN...after all this...pulled this current land-grab ANYWAY.
Would he have pulled this if a 'Reagan' type of leader was living at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue? Putin knows that Barack Obama has the testicular fortitude of the average girl scout.
President Clinton (the last one not the next) signed a treaty with the Ukraine to protect the Ukraine from Russia if the Ukraine gave up its nukes. So much for America (democrats) keeping its word. It's also and always will be about Russia needing warm water ports i.e. The Adriatic Sea.
This is why Putin annexed Crimea...plain and simple. Putin wanted the Crimea because of its rich natural gas reserves directly off of its coast. Ukraine had put the fields up for lease and EXXON outbid GAZPROM (Russia's EXXON equivalent) and was in early development stages. Russia needed those gas fields to eliminate any alternative gas supplies for the rest of Europe when he starts to strangle their industry of energy and freeze the population. Russia is doing what Russia has always done when cut off from warm water ports...march back to the Adriatic. He's hoping his Generals January and February freeze the rest of Europe into submission and he retakes the old Soviet states without firing a shot. Crimea was business...Russian Mafia style.
He won't start a shooting war...he's already won. He just needs to knock-up the natural gas *****s of Europe to finish the domination.
...Under the political agreement, the signatories offered Ukraine "security assurances" in exchange for its adhesion to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons. The memorandum bundled together a set of assurances that Ukraine already held from the Conference on Security and Co-operation in Europe (CSCE) Final Act, United Nations Charter and Non-Proliferation Treaty. The Ukrainian government nevertheless found it politically valuable to have these assurances in a Ukraine-specific document. 
The Budapest Memorandum was negotiated as a political agreement. It refers to assurances, not defined, but less than a military guarantee of intervention. According to Stephen MacFarlane, a professor of international relations "It gives signatories justification if they take action, but it does not force anyone to act in Ukraine." In the U.S. neither the George H. W. Bush administration nor the Clinton administration was prepared to give a military commitment to Ukraine, nor did they believe the U.S. Senate would ratify an international treaty, so the memorandum was agreed as a political agreement.
"President" Joe Biden is Obama's insurance policy.
You're joking, right? It's a warm-water port and gives access to the Med. It's been strategically important to the Russians for centuries.
Obama concerns me.
He's tired of the other world leaders thinking he's weak.
Reminds me of the kid at school that was always bullied.
The kid gets fed up and kills a bunch of people to gain some respect.
This is my picture of him.
He will pick up the (RED) phone.
It is my understanding that the 2 poll questions were
Do you want to join Russia
OTOH, no way HRC runs against a hypothetical President Biden