Your Next White House Candidate

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  1. eel river

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    Well, the "smart money" was on McCain and Mitt - true "conservative lites" if there ever were any.

    How did those stories end?
     
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    Name recognition of Bush is a huge huge HUGE negative for most Repubs - let alone most Americans.

    It's his brothers policies that got us into much of the financial mess that we are in now. I don't see Jeb making it past the Repub primaries. Where did he end up on the CPAC straw poll? Oh ya - he wasn't even on it...

    If anybody is courting Jeb - it's gotta be Karl Rove - and he's a loser.
     
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    Explain why you believe that it is going to take a "middle of the road" GOP candidate to win in 2016?

    As KENNEDY63 has pointed out - how did that work out for middle of the road candidates 2008-McCain & 2012-Romney?
     
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    Because i believe the big donors, and they are the ones who will give the party a chance to win, don't really care about many of the social issues that a lot of conservatives so dearly hold onto. And, with each passing term, the country is moving to the middle in many regards. The demographics alone tell a story that the big businessmen won't ignore, even if they don't them. Also, the big donors understand that lessening government in a hurry, while leaving a warm feeling in many peoples heart, is a terrible thing for Wall Street, which is were a lot of this donor money comes from. So, you might have lost 51/49 last time, but with demographics continuing to shift, that breakdown might be 52/48 now, which seems like no big deal but it is. Ohio is a big concern to the conservatives now and with it being so critical, I believe the big donors are starting to realize that a staunch conservative won't win and actually if they win they will push certain things that the bigs don't want. We will see, but Jeb will be in the running when it comes time to run. Oh, and Romney didn't lose because he was middle of the road in my opinion. He lost because he was just "too slick" and viewed as too close to corporate America. You can't win with a close venture cap halo.
     
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    The Big Donors were behind Romney in 2012 - spending record $ thanks to SCOTUS decision on Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission. Or had you forgotten that?

    http://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/558/08-205/


    And please name the last staunch conservative to run for President?
     
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    API Political Action Forum Moderator Flyway Manager

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    Perspective wise... the story is from MSNBC who happen to be well into the ratings dumpster. Strategically their mostly looking to improve ratings. That would explain their promotion of a STOOPID idea that might make them more attractive to leftists looking for a convenient conservative bogeyman. Me... Jeb is the wrong guy.
     
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    He was painted that way via a relentless attack by the Dems, as well as by the MSM, who mouthed the Dems throughout.

    The guy gave millions to charity, and all that stuck was his venture capital ties - ties which lead to a ton of commercial progress in this Country.
     
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    Remember it's eel rivers belief that Romney lost because he was "too slick". Exit polling data would suggest otherwise.

    And he was too close to corporate America - aka "Big Donors"..,,
     
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    Don't know who the last strongly conservative candidate was but maybe that because the big donors realize the a staunch conservative can't win. Romney was supported by the big donors but he was also too much publicly associated with them and the venture cap side. Sure, the big donors will support the conservative candidate regardless of who it is but they will spend more if it's more of a middle of the road conservative. Maybe, and I know this will not set well with most of you, but maybe the big donors realize that they haven't found enough of a middle of the road conservative yet. Otherwise Jeb probably won't have even been in Vegas for the convention.
     

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