On your recommendation I changed shot sizes in the game and target loads. It worked very well. It was exactly like shooting a 3" 1oz 20 gauge but with slightly better patterns. I am just hoping to find something with even less recoil. If I had someone to learn reloading from I would be more open to it. The only experience I have in reloading is making generic 2 3/4" 1oz lead 20 gauge with a Lee loader and later an MEC, something just about any idiot could do and that was over 20 years ago. I believe you understand what I am looking for but most seem to be much more worried about me being able to kill a duck at 30-50 yards than I am. All I am wanting is something to kill 15-30 yard pin/wig/teal with like I do now but with the least amount of recoil possible. That is why the game and target loads worked so well even when I didn't switch out the shot sizes and just used the 6's. I rarely take shots outside of 30 yards now and have no desire to start doing that again and wouldn't even if I didn't have eye problems. The quality of hunting here will still allow me to kill a more than decent number of birds. It's better to only have a chance for 1 point blank range shot with a gun in a day than to hunt with a bow again or just give up hunting. Some of the people reading this need to stop and let that sink in before being so critical.