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Are we finally at the point, where we can admit that the 2nd Amm. is more important than Hunting?

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  1. skiebuster

    skiebuster Elite Refuge Member

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    Exactly! It’s about protection of life and our pursuit of happiness and to keep our government in check. Shall not be infringed
     
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  2. Aunt Betty

    Aunt Betty Elite Refuge Member

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    Suppose there is this organized grass roots uprising that threatens to take power away from the federal govt.

    Suppose a small arms attack is well organized with good tactics etc. The federal govt will defend by flipping on a switch. All combatants drop their weapons to cover their ears. They pass out and fall.

    Thats your hypothetical.
     
  3. GrayGhostSafaris

    GrayGhostSafaris New Member

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    The 2nd says nothing about hunting. However, no 2nd Amendment, no guns. Step one in the same plan maniacs have used since firearms became relevant. We can always bow hunt...until the Government bans archery. Gun ownership has everything to do with the 2nd Amendment. Gun ownership is paramount to owning firearms, the basis of most hunting and shooting sports. I will always support the 2nd amendment and oppose any gun grabbing politician that wants to remove it.
     
  4. Arkansas Fowler

    Arkansas Fowler Senior Refuge Member

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    Never has been about it and never will be !! I think we need to add to it to cover that it is unconstitutional to sue a gun manufacturer !
     
  5. KENNEDY63

    KENNEDY63 Elite Refuge Member

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    Even with the Second Amendment in place - the private ownership of guns in the United States may be in deep doodoo. See below:

    Democrats Are Coming for Your Guns
    Holding gun makers liable for gun crimes hurts the vulnerable.

    By John R. Lott Jr.
    Oct. 5, 2020 7:01 pm ET

    When President Trump introduced Supreme Court nominee Amy Coney Barrett, he warned: “The coming years will decide the survival of our Second Amendment.” He’s right.

    Joe Biden’s campaign website contains a long list of gun-control proposals: national gun licensing; red-flag laws, which let judges seize guns without a hearing or mental-health evaluation; and bans on semiautomatic guns that look like military weapons.

    First on Mr. Biden’s list, however, is a proposal to make gun manufacturers civilly liable for misuse of guns they sell. This means people could sue manufacturers and sellers whenever a crime, accident or suicide occurs with a gun. The straightforward result would be to put gun makers out of business.

    Imagine what would happen to the car industry if similar rules applied. The National Safety Council estimates that 39,404 Americans died and 4.5 million were injured from car accidents in 2018. Cars are also used frequently to commit crimes.

    Note that cases of product malfunction are already covered; to run afoul of Mr. Biden’s proposed rule, product makers need not do anything wrong at all. Car accidents often occur when a driver isn’t paying attention or drives recklessly, perhaps under the influence. It would be ludicrous to make car makers pay lost wages, medical costs and pain and suffering because of a driver’s negligence.

    Guns aren’t so different. Less than 1% of guns are ever used in crimes, suicides or accidents, and when they are, it’s virtually always the result of the user’s actions. Many other products, such as motorcycles, have much higher probabilities of causing harm. The death rate per motorcycle is 0.05%; the date rate for guns is 0.008%. The latter includes murder, accidental deaths and suicides. Guns are also used defensively about two million times in the average year. Will government reward gun makers when their products are used to save lives?

    Gun-control advocates sometimes claim that gun makers cater to the criminal market with low prices and easy concealability. This doesn’t pass muster. Lightweight, compact firearms make life easier for the 19.48 million Americans who carry concealed handguns, and women generally prefer smaller, lightweight guns.

    My research finds increases in gun ownership are associated with drops in crime, not rises. Poor people in the areas with the highest crime rates benefit the most from owning guns, according to my studies. But gun-maker liability would be sure to make guns unaffordable for them. Police also believe gun ownership helps to combat crime: When PoliceOne surveyed its members in 2013, around 76% answered that legally armed citizens are very or extremely important in reducing crime.

    If high-profile Democrats really believe that guns produce no benefits, they ought to ask their bodyguards to disarm. Instead, these politicians disarm vulnerable people.

    Mr. Trump is right: Democrats want to ban guns. And if they win the Senate and abolish its filibuster, as they keep threatening, they could do it.

    Mr. Lott is president of the Crime Prevention Research Center and author of “Gun Control Myths.”
     
  6. JJVizinat

    JJVizinat Senior Refuge Member

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    I don’t know who needs to hear this, but every gun law in an infringement. Whenever average middle class Americans realize this, then the country will take a big step forward.
     
  7. trck drvr

    trck drvr Senior Refuge Member

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    Uh?..Not to disagree..but have you looked at gun ownership pct% in America?
    Not all of "average middle class America" own guns.
    and are not strong 2nd supporters.

    Some websites list personal gun ownership at just 30% of adults.

    Gun Ownership in the U.S.
    Personally own a gun = U.S. adults 30%

    Live in gun household=
    U.S. adults 40%

    https://news.gallup.com/poll/264932/percentage-americans-own-guns.aspx



    I don't trust polls anymore.. but if its accurate then there are a lot of people who wouldn't care if guns and gun rights were removed...It worries me.

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  8. Vahunter

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    This is going to step on a bunch of toes, but here goes: The US army and USMC, despite battlefield victories, have lost two wars to peasant guerilla armies in the past 50 years. One in a jungle, one in a desert. It would not be a lock that they could beat American civilians or even have the will to do so.
     
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    trck drvr Senior Refuge Member

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    The same thought occurred to me several times while reading this thread.
     
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    ya'll realize that the purpose of the militia, in the constitution, was to enable the gov't to call it up to squash an uprising? it was not intended to to be used to fight against a corrupt gov't.
     

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