Beginner Handgunner Questions

Discussion in 'Shooting - Reloading Forum' started by Hawk, Apr 9, 2012.

  1. ALMODUX

    ALMODUX Elite Refuge Member

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    Okie, I think a lot of the .40 issue has to do with the packages they're offered in....like the very small compacts and subcompacts, and the fact that they keep trying to stretch the .40 velocity #s into the realm of what the 10mm was originally moved away from over....which can make the recoil in the smaller guns pretty evil for smaller or less experienced shooters...or everyone, regardless. I had two Springfield P9s, years ago (CZ clones). They were the compact model. The first was in 9mm, and it was great. I got the .40 when it came out, and that thing would bite you at the beavertail, no matter what you did, to the point of drawing blood after a couple of mags, unless you wore heavy gloves. I could shoot it great....but it obviously was not as 'fun' as the 9mm version, in the same pistol, due to the (obviously) snappier recoil and short beavertail. 45s don't seem to have this problem, either. I own and have owned plenty of 40s and 10mms, and like them all...but the +p 40s in smaller guns and full house 10mms are different animals for follow ups. Interestingly, it's not nearly as noticeable to me in 357 sig, with regards to flip/recovery/doubles/etc. ...but I haven't tried it in anything smaller than a Sig 229, either. If practice ammo cost isn't an issue, then the 357n Sig is another auto caliber to consider....the bullet size arguments will go on forever, but I don't think there is much arguing the dramatic effect 115/124/125 grain 357/9mm bullets (or 135-165gr 10mms, either) moving in the 1400-1600fps range have shown. There is something magical about most handgun bullets when they get to 1400 fps and up that seems to magnify effect over the 850-1350 stuff, regardless of caliber/weight....whether that relates to the velocity itself or transfer, etc. I'll leave up to the scientists/ballistics experts...I've seen it on animals, vs. what I always thought was the 'ideal' in a .45 185-240 JHP at 900-1050.:)
     
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    okie drake Elite Refuge Member

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    Probably so. One of mine is a Glock 27 and I actually enjoy shooting it. However, I do find that said opinion seems to be exception, including among those I normally shoot with.:nutz

    Adding 357 Sig to the options is a good note.:tu
     
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    FWIW, I get to do some occasional 'live (wild) hog experimentation' , with various handguns and bullets. While the energy transfer and expansion were decent on my last .40 vs hog, the penetration was pretty surprising. 18", through front and back of skull, top of shoulder plate, and lodged inside 3rd or 4th vertebrae past the shoulder, intact... On a 100# boar. Way better than geletin says should happen with a 165gr hydra shock. :)
     
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    40s are going to have more energy than your 9s or 45s in your standard loads. If you want one shot stopping power, go with the 40. BUT 9s and 45s have more than adequate energy to put bad guys out of commission, and I personally find them much more pleasant to shoot. You're also going to get different answers from different folks(as you've already seen here). Good luck.
     
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    The .40 'should', but I've seen both 9mm and 45 cause more damage. I've also seen way more 45s fail on barriers or come back at the shooter from hard targets. Everything has pros/cons. Everyone has to decide what's best for themselves, not the guy next to them or on TV. :)
     

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